Christy
Angel Diva
This virus hasn't been affecting babies, or pregnant women. Flu sure can though.
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Is coronavirus changing your ski plans?
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This virus hasn't been affecting babies, or pregnant women. Flu sure can though.
santacruz skier
Angel Diva
A lot of information and opinions out there, which is good.. BTW I had a nasty flu last year with all the Corona virus symptoms that morphed into early stage pneumonia. This season I am diligent about constantly washing my hands and using hand sanitizer as needed. I certainly don't want that flu I had last year either..
ETA: I got sick the day after returning from Europe......was it from the plane?
ETA: I got sick the day after returning from Europe......was it from the plane?
marzNC
Angel Diva
With close quarters and recirculated air, people picking up something in the cold/flu category after a long flight has always been common. Pretty hard to maintain a distance of 3-6 feet when on any plane, even one that isn't that full.
Here's an article about how to avoid getting sick when flying from a travel blog:
5 Ways to Avoid Getting Sick After Flying
santacruz skier
Angel Diva
Thanks.. just ordered two items on the list...
BTW I was about 99% sure I got sick from the plane.... interesting also about using AYR gel which I do use at night when in Tahoe and other ski resorts .
Ski Sine Fine
Angel Diva
And now it’s in northern VA too with two confirmed cases in Fairfax. Clients are still offering to shake hands in the office but church has suspended the sign of peace (where parishioners shake hands with each other). I’m thinking we can’t avoid it. So keep washing them hands.
On happier news, toilet paper are back in stock (for now).
marzNC
Angel Diva
Another source of info is the Guardian about what's going on in Europe. Learned why Italy has so many deaths, almost all seniors over 60 with underlying health issues. Turns out Italy has the second oldest population in the world, only less than Japan. Just over 20% of Italians are seniors over 65. Also a lot of smokers in Italy, especially men. As testing continues to add data, it's looking like COVID-19 has been in northern Italy a lot longer than first suspected.
NewEnglandSkier
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
It seemed like business as usual at Pico today. I did see a guy wiping down the railings once but that was about it.
sibhusky
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Towards whom?
newboots
Angel Diva
It would be an abundance of caution, of course. But plane rides are notorious for giving everybody minor upper respiratory infections (formerly known as colds). The ventilation system circulates the air throughout the plane. (That always bugged me when they allowed smoking in the back - we all breathed it!)
We can no longer count on people who visited China or Italy being the only ones carrying the virus. Since we are not testing people who aren't severely ill in any significant number yet, we have no idea how many people with a minor sniffle are carrying this virus.
Staying away from the pregnant woman and the newborn's dad for only two days would not protect them.
I am not a public health specialist. This was just my thought. And it turns out, it's not the babies who need protection the most, but those of us over 60! Not that I'd consider letting my granddaughter near that virus if it could be helped.
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MissySki
Angel Diva
I just got an email from my company. We already had tomorrow off, but we are now being told that out of an abundance of caution we are to work from home for the next two weeks. We can go in to pick up anything if needed, but besides that we should not return until we hear back. I think this is in part because I work in Cambridge, and people are concerned about the Biogen cases, even though no one at my company has an issue at this point.
We are also not to travel internationally for work, and only domestically if absolutely necessary. We are being asked to refrain from international travel on a personal basis, but if we do fly internationally we have to work from home for two weeks upon returning. We are okay to travel domestically for personal reasons but are asked to use an abundance of caution and if we suspect any issue to contact them to come up with a plan.
Yikes, I honestly didn’t see this coming so soon...
We are also not to travel internationally for work, and only domestically if absolutely necessary. We are being asked to refrain from international travel on a personal basis, but if we do fly internationally we have to work from home for two weeks upon returning. We are okay to travel domestically for personal reasons but are asked to use an abundance of caution and if we suspect any issue to contact them to come up with a plan.
Yikes, I honestly didn’t see this coming so soon...
liquidfeet
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
^^That sounds like a reasonable way for management to handle the virus. Bravo for them.
newboots
Angel Diva
This is so true, for most of us. It has come on so fast!
A week or so ago I was texting my daughter about how they should come to Vermont if it gets back in the NY area (she is near Poughkeepsie). Now as of yesterday we have one identified case in VT, and of course that means many more who aren't sick enough to get hospitalized and tested. And, as my daughter pointed out, they are young and unlikely to be stricken badly, and they might pose more of a danger to us, the grandfolks in the country!
I had started stocking up in a minor, haphazard way, but I'm ordering some of the things I really want to have from Amazon, rather than running back to the supermarket.
And of course, there is strategizing about skiing without catching anything, versus staying at home and keeping the woodstove burning.
Suddenly, it's real.
MissySki
Angel Diva
I will say that our business model lends itself easily to this as well.. Everyone has a laptop and can function 100% remotely. We have a great video conferencing system that everyone can use on their laptops even. Plus, all of our scientific studies are carried out by CROs offsite under our supervision, so nothing will shut down.
I wonder how hard of a decision this is for others who don’t have these luxuries though.. My fiance’ heads up all of the chemists in a CRO, most people there can’t actually work from home since it’s all hands on for the most part. Will be interesting to see what happens..
newboots
Angel Diva
The psychology listserv I belong to is having a discussion about this. Remote (teletherapy) psychological treatment is still pretty new, and not covered by most insurance except under tight restrictions. (Like using highly secure equipment, which one would be unlikely to have at home, so you'd have to travel to a hospital or some other center that has HIPAA-compliant telecommunications. That would make the whole thing a non-starter.)
Psychologists are interested in maintaining contact with vulnerable clients, while everybody stays germ-free. It's a very short time to ramp up big changes. I don't know how much they'll be able to do.
Psychologists are interested in maintaining contact with vulnerable clients, while everybody stays germ-free. It's a very short time to ramp up big changes. I don't know how much they'll be able to do.
Marigee
Angel Diva
I am traveling this coming weekend to Big Sky for a week of skiing with Twin1. My oldest son and wife have asked us to not visit them and their 7 month old daughter for 2 weeks after we return. Same request for DH who has to go to NYC for work next week (he takes the train from DC). Good thing we can FaceTime!
mustski
Angel Diva
I can’t see the sense in the work at home model unless everyone is self isolating. They can be contracting the virus at any time and bringing it to work with them in 2 weeks. Anything less than full self isolation is pointless. Nor do I think that everyone who travels needs to self isolate. We are choosing to do that because most of our friends are 60+ and we live in a very small community and we will have passed through 3 international airports and just spent 2 weeks sharing buffets with people from all over the world. Our huge amount of people contact in close quarters makes our risk higher than average.
@Christy i’ with you. I don’t want to sacrifice basic freedoms for no reason. We need to let this play out a little more with a lot less media hysteria.
@Christy i’ with you. I don’t want to sacrifice basic freedoms for no reason. We need to let this play out a little more with a lot less media hysteria.
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MissySki
Angel Diva
I agree with everything you said, but given that my company has been working very closely with the MA state health authorities, and likely the multitude of other Pharma companies in the area, who knows what the full overall reasoning is. I don’t necessarily have all of the information they have access to. Biogen has also ordered all employees in Cambridge to stay home, though more obvious reasoning there. Takeda just urged all 5000 of their Cambridge based employees to do the same as well as most of their 50,000 employees worldwide. Basically sounds like Kendall Square is about to be very quiet. Perhaps there is a connection also with public transportation because so many of the employees in the area ride the same lines. As of yesterday there were 15 new presumptive positive cases all tied to the Biogen employee conference in late February. So the one guy from Tennessee who traveled here for the conference got A LOT of people sick. Seems like a great example of stopping hand shaking etc. at these events if you are attending. Luckily Biogen had anyone from that meeting self quarantining after the first cases appeared, but they had all most likely been commuting into the city before that happened.
In the case of Takeda, they also issues directives for people with lab jobs who cannot work from home. They are supposed to limit gatherings at work to a certain number of people, and stay at least 6 feet away from other employees at all times. Sounds awkward!
I think it probably gives some people peace of mind to not have to go into the city everyday, and not ride public transportation right now. I usually drive, so didn’t have the concerns about the train at least. Plus, there is the caveat that we were told it would be 2 weeks, but also not to come back until we are specifically told to do so and that updates would be coming in that time. So it sounds like it could be expanded depending what happens locally overall in the next two weeks. We have offices in Cambridge, North Carolina, and Switzerland. The travel directives apply to all, the working from home part is just for Cambridge at this time.
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BlizzardBabe
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
We were given the "work from home, no questions asked" option over the weekend. At 60, I'm the oldest person in my office. My colleague who is pregnant has underlying health conditions, as, sadly, does my other colleague's newborn. I think the two of them will be working from home for quite a while. The only real precaution I'm taking (other than obvious hygiene), is driving rather than taking the Metro.
