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Question: Advanced or Expert - Not Sure

LilaBear

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
He also liked my Diva sticker on my helmet!

I want one of those. Like everyone else I feel uncomfortable overselling my level of ability, so I try to say nothing and let my skiing speak for itself. Thus looking competent with my gear, not fussing with zips, straps, buckles, et al. and having a confident and comfortable manner is my way of telling people I'm good at what I do and I know what I can't (although if I can follow 2 divas and we take it slowly I'll give it a go :snow:).

I feel that a SkiDiva sticker on my helmet will proudly declare that I know what I'm doing and that I belong to an elite class of women skiers. 'nuff said.
 

pinto

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
... I think we can all agree that no one wants to be that person walking around bragging about how they're an "expert skier" - it's meaningless and sounds stupid. ...

Yes, and that's what I think we're all trying to avoid! Being THAT GUY ...
 

KatyPerrey

PSIA 3 Children's Specialist 2 Keystone Resort
When asked how I ski, I reply- I can get off the chair unassisted. :wink: Works every time!!
 

Shellski

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
As the saying goes, if you have to ask... :nono:

I ski with a lot of good skiers, but I would only consider maybe 3-4 of them experts. For me the definition would be skiing all terrain (including bumps) in all snow conditions with confidence and style, I know I will never be an expert skier. However, I think there are a lot of gradations of 'advanced'. Picking your way down a double black doesn't make you an expert. I ski double diamonds, but in bounds terrain rated 'expert' (eg with cliff bands etc) I stay the hell away from.
 

altagirl

Moderator
Staff member
As the saying goes, if you have to ask... :nono:

I guess that's what I disagree with. :duck:

There are experts who are too hard on themselves and think because they still have more to learn they can't be an expert yet. People who think that label means "I have achieved perfection" which is totally unrealistic and would rule out everyone.

And there is the idiot guy at the bar who think's he's an expert because he cartwheeled down a black run today.

Both of them think they are right but neither of them are seeing reality very clearly. Personally, I think what's best is to quit worrying about the label one way or the other. Be happy with yourself and keep on working to improve, no matter where you're at! :love:
 

perma-grin

Instructor PSIA L 3, APD Alpine Ski training MHSP
My first season living in Ketchum I learned a very valuble lesson. There will always be someone stronger and faster than you are, (make friends with them they can teach you alot, and improve your skiing). :thumbsup:Thank you Twyla! There will also always be someone weaker and slower than you are, be even nicer to them,:wink: because they are above you on the slope. And if they like you they may actually stop and pick up gear when you yard sale all over the hill on a bad day. Thank you Crissane! Lol! :yahoo: I have carried a lot of gear down for skiers, and I have had a lot gear brought down to me. I like the middle it's a safe place! Skiing is no diffferent than everyday life. You need people who inspire you to push your own personal envelope, and people who care enough about you to pick you up when occasionally you fall apart in the deep s**t! I like Katyperrey's reply, I think I'm going to have to borrow that one!
 

RuthB

Angel Diva
In terms of out there skiing I don't think that it matters, what matters is that you are having fun. Similarly at work or in social situations when people are asking you in the course of telling you about their abilities I always avoid labels and tell them my favourite runs/mountains/lifts.

Where I do think it matters is when buying equipment or getting lessons. (I once walked out of a ski shop when I was intent on spending money because the boot fitter kept showing me low level boots and asking me about colour). I find the descriptive route better because terms like advanced and expert can be so subjective. The shop where I will buy new boots this year always asks about the fields and runs that you like skiing and asks probing questions based on that. They have a performance range that I really like because it is based on where you like skiing, how you feel tackling various situations and the speed you ski at.


The Performance Index (thank you racers edge)



This example of our performance indicator shows equipment for skiers at level 3-6. If your skiing is within those levels then you could choose this equipment. However its worth remembering that the more you ski the more you'll improve, so don't just purchase for your current skill level but for your future progression. Please note: Your physical makeup (weight. height aggressiveness), and frequency of ski alter your choice.

1. You've skied at least a week, you've learned to turn, stop and ride the lifts.

2. You have at least 3 weeks under your belt You can ski a slight wedge to basic parallel turns on green and blue runs. You still seek instruction, but aren't scared to venture off on your own. You are mastering the "hockey stop".

3. You are reaching the "intermediate plateau", you happily ski all green and some blue runs; but narrow pistes, especially icy ones, cause some difficulty. You have almost mastered speed control and stopping distances, Tough blue runs are skied with caution, with style and control at a premium.

4. You've broken through the "Plateau" and are now experiencing new feelings and sensations and have the confidence to make smooth linked turns on most blue runs . You have begun to appreciate the speed and excitement of skiing - it's a blast. Bumps are still a mystery.

5. You are not intimidated by blue runs and can link parallel turns comfortably. You are perfecting short radius turns on steeper terrain. On black runs you start your turns with a stem, and are conscious not to rotate your upper body You are happy making short turns down narrow 'Piste" tracks. Slopeside powder presents no fears. You may be considering a freeride ski.

6. You can ski black runs in good conditions. You have mastered short turns and easy bumps, fresh lightweight powder is tackled without a second thought. You get frustrated when you cant find rhythm or control on steeper terrain or icier bumps. The techniques for crud and deep snow are still a mystery, but you are not going to let them beat you. You are aware when your skis need tuning.

7. 80% of skiable terrain is well within your grasp but steep terrain, big bumps and difficult snow challenge your skills. You consider professional instruction may be necessary to make further advances. You may own an avalanche transceiver and you look forward to skiing 'off piste', with a guide. High speeds still induce fear.

8. You can handle most bumps, but difficult snow like crud and windpack sometimes gets the better you. You know how to make carved turns, long or short. You choose Freeride, Expert or Race skis and demand stability at speed. You'd like to polish your technique in the gates, bumps, ice, heavy powder or crud.

9. You are an "expert skier, comfortable skiing all conditions. You can ski a variety of lines through difficult bumps via the "fall-line"; over the tops and through the troughs. You know that without an intensive training program you will not ski at your best You could be a level 10 but your fitness or work commitments restrict you.

10. You are a sponsored skier a ski instructor or FIS racer.

sorry for the long post
 

skigrl27

Ski Diva Extraordinaire<br>Legal & Environmental A
10. You are a sponsored skier a ski instructor or FIS racer.

sorry for the long post

I know many ski instructors who are absolutely NOT 10's. In fact, lots of "instructors" here in Aspen are merely day-care workers.
 

Kiragirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Excellent thread.

Just a quick thought on experts vs. instructors: yes, a lot of instructors may not be experts and vice versa; it takes the right kind of person to be a good instructor (teacher), although they might not be a "perfection" skiier. Most expert skiiers probably would not make good instructors. Not knocking anyone, just sayin'.

Luckily there are a bunch of diva instructors/experts out there! :thumbsup:
 

bklyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
What an interesting range of responses! So different than what you would find on a male dominated message board.

People who wrongly classify themselves as 'expert' haven't seen where and how true experts ski nor have they sampled many combinations of terrain and conditions. They certainly have not seen themselves skiing on video (what a perspective changer!).

If the only exposure one has to expert skiing is ski races on TV and freeride oriented movies then I don't think a person knows enough about what's possible to properly classify themselves. TV and movies tend to make the action seem slower and easier than it actually is.
 
T

tbnext

Guest
I love this topic.

Me Im advanced, I was advanced ten years ago and I'll be advanced in ten or twenty years. It's a very broad category.

Expert isn't, it's a niche, it means you are a ski god and sorry ladies but v few people are and even fewer are chicks.

Expert to me means you can do it all, all the time regardless of slope, weather. conditions etc. You happily ski "no fall zones", in fact these are your choice of line.

As for lessons-yes, yes Im an expert (honestly real experts are WAY beyond lessons from 25 year olds!!!).
 

lucine

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Advanced or expert.......
Last year I considered myself an Advanced intermediate for the first half creeping over to advanced maybe????
So I asked an instructor (in fact she has already posted on this thread) where our group would fall in the rankings.

She said........ that our group sucked -but at a high level.

Now that has meaning! :wink:

I too wanted to know in case I ever leave my home mt. and take a lesson somewhere else.

It is super hot here this week and the rufous female hummers are here. Fall migration has started!:yahoo:
 
C

CMCM

Guest
I always figure as long as a lot of people are waaayyy better/faster/more aggressive skiers than I am, I've got to be stuck somewhere in the "advanced intermediate" category. :laugh::laugh: But seriously, I put a lot of limits on myself so I'll never be that kind of skier anyway. I don't aspire to be a hot shot skier for several reasons, one of which is that at 58, I simply do not want to break something so I'm fairly cautious and I may never get to ski a black diamond. I mull over my level when taking a group ski lesson (which level should I be??) or when considering skis....and in fact, last season I ended up with what was labeled a ski for "expert" skiers. I had never even considered such skis, and then I tested these as a lark while waiting for some of the "lower level" skis to be returned to the demo center. Long story short, I loved the "expert" skis and ended up buying them! I don't think they were so much an expert ski as they were simply above the softer, shorter lower level skis I'd been on previously and the difference was noticeable to me at that point.:ski2:
 

altagirl

Moderator
Staff member
Expert to me means you can do it all, all the time regardless of slope, weather. conditions etc. You happily ski "no fall zones", in fact these are your choice of line.

2 things come to mind with this. First - part of becoming an expert is developing the ability to read the snow and find good snow where others think there is none (sun exposure, wind loading, etc.) Not that they only ski when there is perfect snow, but the real pros I know are also really good at finding lines and surface conditions that other people just don't see. (The same thing applies to mountain biking, BTW.)

And second - the part about no fall zones says more to me about a person's risk-acceptance or risk-avoidance than their skill. There are plenty of young guys in particular out there with more guts than brains who survive skiing things that are well over their head through sheer aggression and the elasticity of a young, strong body. That alone doesn't make you an expert skier. OTOH, there are older guys out there with true finesse and skill who through age and experience have learned that some risks are not worth taking. Restraint, self-preservation and common sense are all important parts of the picture too - especially when you consider that a lot of this "expert skiing" is in the backcountry (avalanche terrain).
 

dloveski

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks for all of the great comments, I agree with most of them.

I defy the labels. I prefer to say I can get down anything. When I ski with younger/stronger/better skiers, I learn alot and follow along---it may not be pretty, but I will get down safely.
 

Quiver Queen

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Whenever I'm asked how good of a skier I am, my reply is "Better than I was, but not as good as I want to be!"
 

snowsparkle2

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Someone gave me this link to the Warren Smith ski Academy gradings page & it seemed like a really clear explanation of ski levels to me. I guess it's a bit piste orientated, but seems to quite succinctly sum up the skills that each stage of skier might have and also might be hoping to gain before moving up to the next level. Maybe also there being another group of athletes/performers separate from the expert level, makes it easier to understand how someone could be an all-round 'expert' without having to be the best of the best at something like moguls or racing etc.

https://www.warrensmith-skiacademy.com/about-the-course_group-and-skier-levels.htm

Puts me slap bang into advanced - long long long way to go to expert ::ski2:
 

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