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Want to Avoid Waxing Your Skis? Consider DPS Phantom 2.0 If Keeping Skis 3+ Years.

Another aspect of Phantom that's become clearer in the last year is that racers are finding a side benefit when they are on treated bases even though race wax is still necessary for optimal glide. I heard about the idea during the tour of the DPS factory in April.

From the Aussie ski forum by the DPS distributor:
Our testing has proven that Phantom actually retains wax longer than a non treated base. So we're getting a lot of racers treating their skis now for two reasons:
1: They still have a good gliding base when their race wax wears off
2: Their race wax lasts longer on the base.
 

Pixie Perfect

Certified Ski Diva
I dropped off my new (1st pair of) skis at a local shop to get phantom applied and picked them up today. I will get to try them out next Friday for a day trip to Tahoe.

The ski tech said in colder conditions I may still want to consider waxing the base if it gets too grippy — but he didn’t have any personal experience skiing on it.

Is there a certain temperature point where I should still consider waxing?
 

badger

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I skied my Renoun 77 last week as it had the Phantom treatment applied over the Summer. I did not notice any grabby sensation. They skied as they always had. I suppose the temperature of the snow may make a difference to skis that seem to be grabby initially after application, but I honestly don't know. Some people report that issue and some do not. I used those skis last week specifically to try them given those reports and to ski a few runs. I did not wax beforehand; just went with the DPS only.
 
I dropped off my new (1st pair of) skis at a local shop to get phantom applied and picked them up today. I will get to try them out next Friday for a day trip to Tahoe.

The ski tech said in colder conditions I may still want to consider waxing the base if it gets too grippy — but he didn’t have any personal experience skiing on it.

Is there a certain temperature point where I should still consider waxing?
When we discussed frigid temps in Feb 2019, Posts 46, 49-50, my impression is that Phantom is fine into the teens. Perhaps single digits. However, if going to ski when it's below 0ºF then cold weather wax is probably worth the effort. I didn't have any issues skiing in the teens in the northeast last season. I was using skis treated with Phantom 1.0. The performance of 2.0 is a apparently a bit better.

The Phantom glide is similar to a good all-weather wax job.
 

Pixie Perfect

Certified Ski Diva
When we discussed frigid temps in Feb 2019, Posts 46, 49-50, my impression is that Phantom is fine into the teens. Perhaps single digits. However, if going to ski when it's below 0ºF then cold weather wax is probably worth the effort. I didn't have any issues skiing in the teens in the northeast last season. I was using skis treated with Phantom 1.0. The performance of 2.0 is a apparently a bit better.

The Phantom glide is similar to a good all-weather wax job.
Okay that what I thought but the ski tech made me pause for a bit. It is really useful to know that it worked for temps in the teens!

Right now the forecast for my day trip is estimating the temps as 20º-30ºF, so it seems like I should be fine without wax then.
 
I skied on my phantomed skis for first time on our way up to MIL's for Christmas. Temps were in the low 40s, so snow was damp. I expected puddles, too, like in the spring, but there weren't really any - the snow just packed into quite a slick surface. Skis worked great, but I did get going pretty fast a few times!
 

Pixie Perfect

Certified Ski Diva
Today I went skiing in spring like conditions — crusty in the morning soft (but not too slushy) in the afternoon. They did great although they slid a bit when I hit a slick spot on a small park jump, as a result I overshot it. Whoops! The second time my instructor had me go through the run I landed the jump.
 

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