It may be hard to prove 100% that you DID quarantine...but I imagine if a prosecutor was trying to prove that you didn’t they could use things like your work attendance records, your children going to school, and your cell phone data and credit card to prove that you were not quarantining. I haven’t heard that they’re doing that yet but I imagine it’s possible for it to be used as evidence that you broke the VT law.Crack down on what exactly with spot checks? There is no way to prove if you quarantined in your home state except your signing something to that effect.
It may be hard to prove 100% that you DID quarantine...but I imagine if a prosecutor was trying to prove that you didn’t they could use things like your work attendance records, your children going to school, and your cell phone data and credit card to prove that you were not quarantining. I haven’t heard that they’re doing that yet but I imagine it’s possible for it to be used as evidence that you broke the VT law.
There are apps and a cellphone setting now that you can enable to show if you were anywhere near someone who tested positive, but you have to opt in and I don’t know how people feel about that outside of the people who have railed against it on social media haha. Have you all opted into it on your phones?
Unfortunately, California hasn't produced an exposure notification app yet. I have read the specification for the Apple/Google Exposure Notification System standard and don't see any obvious flaws in it that would compromise a person's privacy for choosing to use it, so if and when one becomes available for California, I will opt in. If there isn't one for California by the time I'm in Tahoe for skiing, I might install the Nevada app.
I know RI has one, but saw a lot of people on social media who said they’d never do that. So I think the issue is more with perceived privacy issues rather than if they actually exist in a technical manner. Do you have an iphone? I’m not sure about other phones, but my iphone has a setting now to opt into this sort of thing.
I do have an iPhone. Basically the deal is that Google (for Android) and Apple (for the iPhone) built a shared privacy-protecting standard for exposure notifications. But in most cases you can't turn it on until the state/country you live in has issued an app to manage issuing those notifications when a positive test happens. Most official apps are going to be based on this system. There are some unofficial apps or poorly-made official apps that use unanonymized GPS locations to work, and I don't recommend those apps at all.
For this particular technology, yes, the issue is definitely perception. Here's a link to the list of US state iPhone apps that use this secure technology:
https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1524690171
Interesting, I didn’t realize the states had to get that going to coordinate with what’s on our phones already.
Are you talking about ski resorts in VT/NH/ME in terms of people who book resort lodging, or people using season passes, or people buying day tickets in advance online?
From what I'm reading and listening to in podcasts by assorted ski management, the senior managers are well aware that if there is any hint of a resort not following public health guidelines or local government mandates then their season could well be over. The ski industry is working together in unprecedented ways to help each other come up with general operational adjustments while still maintaining a unique approach. What I've learned the last decade about skiing in the southeast is that even direct competitors will help each other out when it counts.
Whether or not a resort can make it clear to all guests in New England/NY/NJ that travel restrictions matter is a hard question to answer. But I have no doubt that they will try.
The situation in other regions of the U.S. is completely different. As is generally true for COVID-19.
AHHHH!! Okay that makes better sense (!) as I've seen solid compliance (for the most part) in VT. Outside at gas stations maybe not (in some places) but OTW I have seen solid compliance but I don't go around "that" much.
Starting to understand why NY is only working together with NJ and CT on travel restrictions. Sounds like cooperating with VT would've been impractical.They are trying to work this all out. It's an interesting case study. And also insight into how VT inflates numbers in other counties by 2.5. This is why Grafton, NH, is green by NH standards and yellow by VT (because VT is multiplying cases by 2.5). For us where I live, with about 1-4 cases, to get lumped in a county such that I, myself, could not technically ski in VT is just... well... something.
People here may find this article below interesting on travel restrictions. The Ford Sayre kids who live just across the river in VT -- if it were ski season right now - would not be able to ski /practice at the Dartmouth Skiway (in NH) or Whaleback (NH) even though they are in school with the same kids during the day and it's way closer then other mountains (AND on top of that VT has MORE cases so even less safe to have the kids/families traveling within VT).
They are trying to work this all out. It's an interesting case study. And also insight into how VT inflates numbers in other counties by 2.5. This is why Grafton, NH, is green by NH standards and yellow by VT (because VT is multiplying cases by 2.5). For us where I live, with about 1-4 cases, to get lumped in a county such that I, myself, could not technically ski in VT is just... well... something.
On top of that, there are no travel restrictions within VT even though some towns have more cases. (So, someone who lives just across the river, in a county with higher numbers in VT than the county I live in in NH, can freely ski in VT, where I (if it were today) could not. And I guess Dartmouth students/staff/etcetera, who technically live over the river in VT as some do, could not actually ski at their own college Skiway).
I trust they are doing what they can to make the best decisions! I also wonder how "quarantine" rules may change (to allow someone to grocery shop once a week, say, and still be okay to ski).
The relative chaos this travel restriction is causing for people wanting to go out to dinner (even outside but I guess those days are waning) or go for a hike (technically not allowed right now) between two towns where people go back and forth like one's own backyard -- is odd. I cant say everyone is abiding.
https://www.vnews.com/Thetford-legi...vel-restrictions-in-the-Upper-Valley-37020365
I like having you techno-nerdy people on the site!Yes—the key reason here is that exposure notifications need to be issued only when a bona fide infection has been verified. Apple/Google provided the technical framework for the notifications, but the verification process itself needs to be written into each state's app. For example, one state might have you punch in a unique code to indicate that you have COVID, while in another you might enter your personal information to be checked against the state's testing database.
IMO people will follow rules much more willingly and appropriately when they make sense. When they start having so many points that seem unreasonable and way over the top, they have less problem skirting them if they can easily and without Likely ramifications.
Supposedly the governor of VT also indicated now that Ski Patrollers would not be considered essential and would therefore be subject to quarantine to go to work if they don’t live in VT. It’s my understanding that there are many who would fall into this issue at VT resorts. If that stays upheld, resorts are going to have big problems, I don’t think you can easily backfill those types of positions at this point. Hopefully he misspoke or they work that out in some way.