• Women skiers, this is the place for you -- an online community without the male-orientation you'll find in conventional ski magazines and internet ski forums. At TheSkiDiva.com, you can connect with other women to talk about skiing in a way that you can relate to, about things that you find of interest. Be sure to join our community to participate (women only, please!). Registration is fast and simple. Just be sure to add [email protected] to your address book so your registration activation emails won't be routed as spam. And please give careful consideration to your user name -- it will not be changed once your registration is confirmed.

So how do you know when you move from type I to type II?

joycemocha

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Serious question here. I'm not really sure just what my current ski level should be. I'm a third year skier, have been out, lessee (ransacks house for calendar), something like 15-17 days this season already, will probably be out at least 5-8 more times. I ski mostly blue cruisers, some with a couple of short steep pitches, and I've ventured onto a couple of short blacks (one which is probably a higher blue, the other closer to a true black). I'm pretty much consistently skiing parallel with rare exceptions to slow down for my son or to rest myself. I carve my turns and rarely skid my tails any more.

I'm not a fast skier, though. Going down the steep blue and black pitches, I tend to traverse with sweeping turns rather than the short fast lines, though I'm starting to play with the short fast lines on the steep blues (I do short and fast on the blue cruisers). I'm not up to bumps yet.

So am I an advanced beginner, an intermediate, or the next time I take a private, should I ask my instructor to rate my level?
 

SouthernSkier

Certified Ski Diva
My opinion? I'm not a fan of labels - as long as you are happy, who cares? But I would think that what you describe is an intermediate. An intermediate to me skis blues comfortably, and is OK on easy blacks. That describes me to a tee (and I've been skiing for a few years more)! Not a bad place to be after 3 seasons, and you definitely sound like you are improving and will "graduate" to advanced soon enough.
 

Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
It sounds like two concepts are in the mix here - the "types" that are used to classify skiers for the purposes of setting bindings and then overall skiing ability.

If you're talking about the types with respect to binding setting (type I, type II and type III, but I've also seen type I- and type III+), it's generally a matter of how aggressively one skis and how much force it will take for the bindings to release. I won't get into the technical stuff b/c it's been discussed elsewhere on the forum and frankly, I don't know the technical stuff.

Other than uber beginners, a skier type (binding setting) has less correlation with skier ability than you would think. A skier with expert ability could, theoretically, be a type II, rather than type III, skier simply because he or she just doesn't ski aggressively or at high speeds or whatever the criteria for type III is.

That being said, binding settings aren't usually rated as "beginner", "advanced beginner", "low intermediate", etc. To me, those adjectives describe ability. Other terms that have been used to describe ability are "levels", ie, "level 1 skier", "level 2 skier" up to 9 or 10 (not sure - the level thing is pretty new to me, embarrassingly).

Either way, I would think that a good instructor would be able to assess both your aggressiveness when skiing and your ability. :smile:
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
If you're discussing skier type for binding settings (Type I, II, or III), the chart discusses it thusly:
Type I - Skis at slower than average speeds, perfers lower than average release setting.
Type III - Skis at higher than average speeds, prefers higher than average release setting.
Type II - Every body else!

If you're discussing ability level (typically levels 1-10), there's a good thread on here somewhere with different versions of the skill level breakdown, but I can't seem to find it right now.
 
This is a nice summary of the levels as outlined by PSIA.


●Level 1 Aspirations: (You have never skied before; perhaps you only want to try the sport out or you may already be committed to learn it.) Learn about equipment, how to walk and slide with skis parallel, climb using ski edges, turn while standing in place (bullfighter turn), turn while sliding by stepping, tip skis to turn, turn using the gliding wedge (snowplow, skis are in a V with the point in front), stop gradually using the braking wedge, how to fall and how to get up, and ride a surface and/or chair lift. Learn basic ski skills: twisting the legs, tilting the skis, and managing the amount and distribution of pressure on the skis. (Level 1 is the hardest ski lesson you'll ever take; it will give you the alphabet to "read" the "book" of skiing and you will learn the most in any lesson you will ever take; you might not complete all the elements above but if you can adequately turn and stop on the learning hill, you should be able to go on to level 2 ; look forward to level 2 for more fun.) Ski on practice slopes ("palest" green).

●Level 2 Aspirations: Groove in what was learned in Level 1. Add elements not covered earlier. Then, with foot tilting, turn the skis up the hill to slow and stop, then down the hill to make a complete turn. Also learn more about foot steering to change direction, improve gliding wedge turns and link them in S's, vary turn shapes, ski slightly faster speeds, improve balance, traverse. Ski on steeper parts of practice slopes ("pale" green).

●Level 3 Aspirations: Still starting turns by tipping the skis or in the gliding wedge, either maintain the skis parallel or steer them (as in a wedge christie) with the feet to parallel by the turn's finish, with skidding; ski a bit faster speeds than in level 2 so that speed that comes with steeper slopes can be managed. Move to easier green (easiest) slopes.

●Level 4 Aspirations: Still starting turns either by tipping them while parallel or using the gliding wedge, with the feet maintain or steer skis (making an intermediate wedge christie) to parallel in mid-turn ; sideslip; do skidded parallel turns to a stop (hockey stop); ski faster speeds. Move to steeper green slopes, longer runs.

●■Level 5 Aspirations: Still starting turns either by tipping them while parallel or using the gliding wedge, with the feet maintain the skis parallel or steer skis (making an advanced wedge christie) to parallel before mid-turn; optionally begin using ski-pole touches; explore easier blue terrain; experience uneven slopes and easier ungroomed snow conditions; ski still faster speeds; explore more of the mountain and begin to experience the full pleasures and joys of skiing. Ski steeper green slopes, more difficult parts of green slopes and easy blue slopes.

■Level 6 Aspirations: Stay in the parallel position throughout turns, tipping and steering skis with feet to produce turns; begin learning pure edged turns and pure steered turns; use ski poles in varied ways, experience shallower powder and smaller bumps, adjust skiing speed at will regardless of slope angle or snow type, vary turn shape, optionally run gates. By level 6, start analyzing what you hear about skiing equipment and technique so you know it makes sense to you and "try it before you buy it". Your personal goals and body attributes may indicate special choices from the buffet available. Ski more difficult blue slopes.

■♦Level 7 Aspirations: Expand skills into powder and bumps and ungroomed snow. Link short-radius turns. Isolate the skills of turning by pivoting the skis versus turning by tilting them, run gates, ski advanced terrain. Start making tactical choices to apply mechanics to situations of snow texture and terrain. Ski blue and black slopes.

♦Level 8 Aspirations: Apply tactical variations to turns for effect in varying conditions or for intent, let tilting the ski become the main tool for turning you instead of you twisting the ski with your foot, except in special situations like bumps or quick stops. Explore alternate turn entries--converging, parallel step, diverging, inside ski, one ski. Ski on black slopes and possibly double-black (extreme) slopes.

♦♦Level 9 Aspirations: Ski bumps with short or long-radius turns, ski deep powder, ski steeps, run gates; use the carved turn as your principal turning method but apply tactical choices accurately for conditions or intent; get into organized skiing as a racer, race official, instructor, or patrolman. Ski all slopes in all conditions is the ultimate goal, recognizing that Olympic racers and extreme skiers are in another zone of level 9.


From www.skimybest.com
 

joycemocha

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks, all!

Native Vail Gal, from this list, it appears I'm on the cusp between 6 and 7, at least where I usually ski. Depends on the day, of course....
 

persee

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
That's a nice description. Although scarily I think I got to level 4 within my first 3 lessons. Now as I describe myself as a level 7.9 that matches with this list. real "Pow" is something we don't really have in the east so I can't say how I stack up there, but it's nice to see that courtesy of new gear, and some other factors I'm once again advancing my skiing. Now there are *some* days when I feel like I'm back at level 6, but I figure those are the same days I prolly can't manage to tie my boots so I toss those out. :noidea:
 

Solincia

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Both SkiDiva's list <from the link> and NVG's list makes me sad...:(

11 years ago I would have put my self at an 8 by that list--never skied in "powder" skiing, just local and east coast skiing... it makes me sad because I really don't know why I stopped skiing!

Something to aspire to again! Why can't it be next fall already??:Cry:
 

joycemocha

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
That's DARN GOOD for only 3 years! Fabulous! :yahoo:

Thanks. I think that my past history of taking lessons in other sports--namely ballet and horseback riding--really has carried over into skiing. I'm finding in my private lessons that I can apply a lot of horseback riding concepts to skiing as far as body position, using my core, using my hips. The instructor says something to me, I translate it into horsespeak, and it comes out right. So I've been applying a lot of body positioning skills I've learned on my horse, as well as using some ski techniques on the horse!

I use a lot of Alexander Technique-type imagery because I've been used to using it when riding (Sally Swift's Centered Riding books are very good). Plus, I'm riding at the level where the slightest tweak of foot position can often make a performance difference--as well as hand position!

The ballet techniques of thinking through motions, isolating muscle groups, and knowing what your body is doing also help in thinking about ski moves.

Plus--you know what? Looking down an easy black, then working my way down it slowly and carefully in powder is a heckava lot less scary than approaching a two and a half feet by two feet spread jump on a snorty and powerful school horse in the mood to take a long distance and celebrate by bucking afterwards! And it doesn't hurt my back as much, either!

Ice, now, well, we'll talk about that one...in the lodge!

I just wish I'd come to skiing earlier in life. I think I'd have been out there hucking cheerfully! Now, in my 50s--I just watch it on the DVDs, and appreciate some good air when I see it on the slope.:ski2:
 

Latest posts

Members online

Forum statistics

Threads
26,288
Messages
499,273
Members
8,575
Latest member
cholinga
Top