Wow, just had a chance to read this. Way to go to encourage the women in the competition [sarcasm alert]. The writer makes some excellent points. It just boggles the mind that this sort of thing even goes on today.
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Wow, just had a chance to read this. Way to go to encourage the women in the competition [sarcasm alert]. The writer makes some excellent points. It just boggles the mind that this sort of thing even goes on today.
pinto
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Well, don't be too sure it wasn't the reporter getting it wrong. By the context, it seems that what was meant was "The role of the athlete is secondary to the role of the female." I would bet $$ it was just a misquote. These things happen.
Hello Divas.
thanks to all who commented in support of that blogpost from last spring. It got much more attention than I expected when I first posted it and some well known worldtour riders voiced their support and complained to the FWT organizers. The result was that the commentating got a lot better at later events in our area (as far as I know) and the guys who do the talking really did change their tone. I thought it was pretty cool how that turned out, all in all.
somewhat odd article on tgr that may be relevant to this thread (the responses to the article are more interesting than the article itself)
https://www.tetongravity.com/story/...-need-to-go-to-the-mountains-with-other-women
thanks to all who commented in support of that blogpost from last spring. It got much more attention than I expected when I first posted it and some well known worldtour riders voiced their support and complained to the FWT organizers. The result was that the commentating got a lot better at later events in our area (as far as I know) and the guys who do the talking really did change their tone. I thought it was pretty cool how that turned out, all in all.
somewhat odd article on tgr that may be relevant to this thread (the responses to the article are more interesting than the article itself)
https://www.tetongravity.com/story/...-need-to-go-to-the-mountains-with-other-women
pinto
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Yeah, I read that ... I was a little surprised by the negative reply that it got, as it seemed to be sort of a silly and only half (maybe 3/4) serious article to begin with. Sorta like the "#### Skier Girls Say" video.
I mean, to me it seemed like she was saying, "Hey, you know, do what you want, we got nuthin' to prove anymore, because we already have proved we can hang. So don't be embarrassed about wanting good snacks and lots of selfies -- you can stop acting tough, you are tough." I think that is progress. So that was my take, honestly.
Yes, the outrage some people express seems a little extreme but I do find it a bit unfortunate that she seems to be mixing the silly and the serious points. I think these things work better if all silly (like the *** Skier Girls Say video) or all serious. As it is, it feels like there are no more relevant reasons to adventure with women than "girls like to take selfies". The different responses people have to it are interesting to watch.
I really like this article, by comparison (probably been posted here?)
https://www.adventure-journal.com/2...-hating-successful-women-holds-everyone-back/
pinto
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Yeah, probably a personality thing, too. I don't think I've ever been either 100% serious or 100% silly in my life, I'm always mixing the two... :-)
pinto
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
As for the article, I had read it before but can't remember if it was on here or not. There was a discussion here about the self-confidence issue, for sure; I'll try to find it...ah got it...
https://www.theskidiva.com/forums/i...self-to-be-the-glass-ceiling-for-women.18208/
https://www.theskidiva.com/forums/i...self-to-be-the-glass-ceiling-for-women.18208/
Yep...best way to be! "Life is too important to be taken seriously." (Oscar Wilde)
Klar, thanks for posting. Good to see you here.
The article you refer to has a lot of validity. It's a shame that in many cases, women can't seem to support other women who make it to the top. Probably there is some jealousy involved, as well as the damned if we do, damned it we don't factor that's mentioned in the piece. But that's not what I want to address here. Instead, I just want to say that I've also seen cases where women can be extremely supportive of one another, too -- at least in the small microcosm of Diva World. Here's an example: a few years ago, a number of us skied through a terrain park during one of our annual Diva trips. When one or the other of us attempted a feature, the others stood by and actually cheered. I've seen this sort of thing on a number of our other trips, too and it's great to see how women can -- and do -- encourage one another. On the forum, too; there isn't a lot of one-upmanship and dragging each other down. It's more along the lines of so you need help? What can I do? Not that it's all hearts and flowers. And not that you don't see that on other forums, too. I'm only addressing what I see here.
As I said initially, this has nothing to do with the female criticism we see talked about in the Adventure Journal article . But it is worth noting that women can also stand together and support one another, at least in our little corner of the world.
BTW, are you in Austria? Because I'm in Vienna RIGHT NOW!!!
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tgr reacts to mixed response to first article
https://www.tetongravity.com/story/...-8-reasons-why-women-need-to-go-to-the-mounta
yup, i'm in AT.
https://www.tetongravity.com/story/...-8-reasons-why-women-need-to-go-to-the-mounta
yup, i'm in AT.
bounceswoosh
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I like that second article better than the first!
mustski
Angel Diva
I actually like the first article better. It was more honest and less of "the usual psycho babble." It sounded like real women on a real day. Sorry, but if taking the time to giggle with friends, eat good food, or take selfies in the middle of adventure makes us "less serious skiers" than the guys ... well we need to stop skiing with the guys! If we can't relax and be ourselves, while being badass, when can we?
As for the negative, judgmental comments on the first article ...
As for the negative, judgmental comments on the first article ...
I actually like the first article better. It was more honest and less of "the usual psycho babble." It sounded like real women on a real day. Sorry, but if taking the time to giggle with friends, eat good food, or take selfies in the middle of adventure makes us "less serious skiers" than the guys ... well we need to stop skiing with the guys! If we can't relax and be ourselves, while being badass, when can we?
As for the negative, judgmental comments on the first article ...
as I said before, I find it really interesting how differently people react to it. I have been trying to put a finger on why the first version bothered me and I think part of it is that in my circle of ski buddies, the people I giggle most with when skiing, the person who takes the most selfies and also the person with the best snacks are all male. None of those things are something I specifically look for when skiing with other women, the "sillyness" and good humour they imply really are a requirement for anybody I ski with on the regular.
bounceswoosh
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Maybe the article should have been called, why you shouldn't have outdoor adventures with Type A people ;-)
snoWYmonkey
Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I apologize if someone already replied to this, but yes, you are correct. That is Jess McMillan. She rips, she is super festive and I have been lucky enough to have her guest coach my ladies in some of the Women's ski camps at our mountain.
Not sure why but I do feel that this is the year of the skier chick making a bit of a major breakthrough in films.
1. TGR's latest film Almost Ablaze features Angel Collinson in the opening sequence absolutely killing it up in AK. She is by far one of the most aggressive skiers I have seen in a long time and a woman. I totally agree with some of the TGR criticisms from previous posts, but in this case they did it right in my opinion. She is one to keep watching.
2. Pretty Faces! First of its kind as far as I know.
3. Warren Miller's latest No Turning Back also features three women ripping lines in AK in their opening sequence. Unfortunately, the other stories in the film with women are more of a traditional and not as palatable, "look how well this girl can ski next to a guy", or worse yet, the rather degrading boy meets girl sequence in MT. Sierra is a very cool person and they did not seem to do her any favors as an athlete in the film.
What I love about these three films is that it was just as fun to watch the women specific ski sequences, which is rare, as it was to watch the men. I attribute this not only to the skiing and the athletes, but to the editing, narration and take of the film makers for each segment. I look forward to the day that extreme ski comps like the FWT (Freeride world tour) are the same. Both in terms of the coverage, commentators and type of skiing/riding that is taking place on the mountain.
Grateful to all the women athletes that are constantly setting the bar so much higher and helping the younger generations get recognition and funding for their pursuits in the mountains.
mustski
Angel Diva
Ski Diva's blog post today got me thinking about this again. I would have to say that the Lange ski boot ads are highly effective. After all, we have focused a lot of discussion on these ads. If it were just some super model in ski boots and lingerie, I doubt we would have given it a second thought. We are only talking about them because Julia is an incredible skier and that is what make the ad controversial. It's an interesting twist really - at least to me.
I just bought new boots. The Lange boots fit me surprisingly well right out of the box, but I dislike Lange's ads so much, I chose instead to go with Salomon boots that also fit me well. I can't support the company when I have such strong feelings about the sexualization of women to sell a product.
RX2SKI
Certified Ski Diva
Skiers fall, and racers fall even harder. Where are her black and blue marks? Nothing makes it into an ad without being photoshopped.
