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[bounceswoosh]

But women having more at risk in sexual encounters - that's mother nature's fault.

And of course my rebuttal is to a 17 year old who isn't even on the forum, so I guess that's kind of silly ...

 

[mustski]

Actually, that's pretty much what I told her. Something along the lines of ..."it's your body and your health so it's your responsibility."

 

[altagirl]

Actually, since Planned Parenthood uses a sliding scale, and parents aren't necessarily involved, they get it free. That is why they don't understand the focus. I suspect it only includes birth control pills which I also got for a very small co-pay through my insurance. Their main complaint was that politicians only talk about women and birth control. They want them to talk about equal pay a whole lot more. It seemed to me like they were upset that women were only being viewed in terms of their reproductive abilities.


Actually, one of the girls made the comment that condoms are expensive and that they wished they would be free also since they are the only thing that offer protection against HIV. She thought the focus on "women" having to take responsibility was sexist! I DO LIKE this young man though! I hope that more of the young men in today's world feel this way. I suspect they do and just don't have the opportunity to express it.

Edited to add: these are 17 yr old girls! They think they should get everything free! It's the nature of 17.

Probably also the nature of being 17 to expect that if you have access to something now, you always will, and not quite understand what it might be like for people outside the area you live, etc.

 

[altagirl]

Also probably the nature of being 17 to not be concerned with the fact that their "free" birth control is being funded largely by private donors. Great that it exists, but again, the big picture of it doesn't make much sense, to me anyway. Well, maybe it would make sense if men got fundraising letters in the mail to donate to cover Viagra prescriptions for men who can't afford it and it wasn't covered by insurance. Hahaha. Now that would be kind of awesome.

 

[mustski]

Also probably the nature of being 17 to not be concerned with the fact that their "free" birth control is being funded largely by private donors. Great that it exists, but again, the big picture of it doesn't make much sense, to me anyway. Well, maybe it would make sense if men got fundraising letters in the mail to donate to cover Viagra prescriptions for men who can't afford it and it wasn't covered by insurance. Hahaha. Now that would be kind of awesome.

Maybe their wives and SO's should kick in some dollars!

 

[lynseyf]

This thread is such an interesting read, thanks ladies, nice to see so many opinions without having to shout each other down. I saw this the other day on Pink Bike and I know there are a few bikers on here. I find it really interesting but am a bit surprised by how crazy the comments have gotten. I suppose this is another example of how different people can have such wildly differing views on the same thing. FWIW I like this video, sure she shows some flesh at the start but only her shoulders. I generally don't like the Lange girl kind of ads, mainly because they are taking an athlete and showcasing her in lingerie, but I feel this girl is poking fun at how girls tend to be viewed a little without actually titillating anyone (unless you get incredibly turned on by shoulders) and she can really ride.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/linda-paluc-ep2-sweet-sweet-semmering-2014.html

Re the younger girls thinking feminism isn't relevant because it is focused on reproduction. I guess this is a much bigger issue in the US because of how your healthcare work, it isn't something I often hear discussed in the UK at all, I guess because all types of contraception have been free for all women since I've been taking it (17 years), now idea if it has always been free. We have nominal proscription charges for other medications, around $10-15 I think, but contraceptives were completely free. I now live in Germany where I pay a larger part of my income for health care, I was pretty shocked when I went to talk about getting my contraceptive implant changed and was told it was €300. The Dr seemed really surprised when I told her the situation in the UK as well and none of my German friends seem bothered by this but like @altagirl I think ti is hugely sexist and discriminatory to women when lots of other non essentials are covered by the healthcare.

This is a very relevant blog that has received a lot of publicity in the UK. A lot of people argue that feminism isn't so relevant nowadays and that a lot of the big battles have been won. That may be true but I think there are a hundred small ways that sexism still show and reading this reminds us of that. Some of the stories don't really strike me as sexist, maybe just rude or a misunderstanding but I'm pretty sure there are some that every women will have experienced and perhaps just written off as a normal part of life. When you read how common some of these occurrences are for women it might make you rethink that. Men do experience sexism but I'm pretty sure not on the same scale as women. I don't think male athletes would have such angst about flashing some flesh; firstly because they can become well know without doing so but also because they won't be judged as harshly if they do.

https://everydaysexism.com/

 

[VickiK]

For a few laughs: https://www.buzzfeed.com/amandaholland/if-women-catcalled-men#1uqh0o8

Edited to add yet another dose of funniness, https://www.youtube.com/watch?annot...klq8zg_or0g&src_vid=p8uOErVShiE&v=lUJ24mblCLY

 

[pinto]

I apologize if this was brought up already, I think I checked out during the reproductive cycle of this thread, but this just popped up on my fb feed

https://thegription.com/?p=586

which lead to this

https://www.justacoloradogal.com/2014/09/sex-sell.html#more-583

Anyway, interesting takes, similar to our conversation (make sure to read comments)

 

[bounceswoosh]

I apologize if this was brought up already, I think I checked out during the reproductive cycle of this thread, but this just popped up on my fb feed

https://thegription.com/?p=586

which lead to this

https://www.justacoloradogal.com/2014/09/sex-sell.html#more-583

Anyway, interesting takes, similar to our conversation (make sure to read comments)

What I just thought of is, there's a difference between what people like to look at and what they want to be with.

That is to say, maybe some outdoor guys would be happy to look at these women and enjoy the view. But I think most outdoor guys look at a woman *they actually meet* hiking, or rock climbing, or surfing or skiing or mountain biking and think, "Damn, that's hot." Because that's the kind of woman they want to be with and spend their time with.

 

[mustski]

I agree. Guys like to look at "hot" women but, in the end, they choose a partner they enjoy spending time with and that will always come down to shared interests.

 

[Jenny]

I've gotten kind of lost as to which thread this really belongs in, but I love this little girl!

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/10/living/dicks-sporting-goods-basketball-letter/index.html

 

[bounceswoosh]

I have also gotten lost in the threads, but I ran across this linked on TGR and it is exceptionally relevant (and disappointing):

https://klartellsstories.blogspot.co.at/2014/02/the-deplorable-state-of-womens-riding.html

 

[lynseyf]

Thanks @bounceswoosh that is a very well written article that captures what I think a lot of women feel about things like this. They don't want to be condescended to and told they are amazing when they are quite clearly not but they would like encouraged for trying something and no to be told they are so bad they sh0uld probably stop trying. I think her concerns over writing the article will ring true for many as well. You don't want to to be the whiney girl who wants to be treated special so you don't complain then after a while you get fed up of not complaining.

 

[Jenny]

Wow, what an ass! And he gets to represent that organization.

 

[bounceswoosh]

There's also this lovely article - not sports related, but career related: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...d-to-ask-for-a-raise/articleshow/44768237.cms

He had been asked to give his advice to women who are uncomfortable requesting a raise. His response: "It's not really about asking for the raise, but knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along." Not asking for raise, he added, is "good karma" that would help a boss realize that the employee could be trusted and should have more responsibility.

 

[Pequenita]

Guys like to look at "hot" women but, in the end, they choose a partner they enjoy spending time with and that will always come down to shared interests.

It depends on the couple. I know a handful of married couples where one person is merely game to do things, like be taught how to do x activity and go on an annual x trip but do x only one time while on that trip, and the more experienced partner is happy to have shared that experience and then go hardcore the rest of the time with other friends who are on the trip.

Anyway, I came across this from the Washington Post today:

“Girls, when they are portrayed, their athleticism is secondary. They’re usually sexy, pretty, feminine. The role of the female is secondary to being an athletic female,” said Nicole LaVoi, an associate director of the Tucker Center for Research on Girls & Women in Sport at the University of Minnesota. “That’s if they’re portrayed at all. In the catalogue McKenna saw, there was one girl, she was a fan, she was a bystander. That’s, sadly, a common theme.”

 

[abc]

Ok, so English isn't my first language...

The role of the female is secondary to being an athletic female

I would read that as positive, athletic first, female second...

Is that what that passage mean?

 

[Pinky Smash]

You have a point though! There should be proper place and time of showing their body and assets off. However, on the other hand, maybe it is their way of getting high ranks and people views.

 

[bounceswoosh]

Ok, so English isn't my first language...


I would read that as positive, athletic first, female second...

Is that what that passage mean?

I also found that confusing.

 

[VickiK]

It's obviously contradictory. How annoying this is coming from a woman.