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Please - be on the lookout for frostbite!!!

Slidergirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I had tell about 10 people today that they had frostbite on their faces. It was a cold, damp, snowy day, but not excessively cold (single digits to low teens). When I'd tell them to please go inside and warm up, most said "yeah, next run I'll go in" or some such nonsense. One kid said "I'll pull up my bandana". Not good enough. A cotton bandana isn't going to help at all. One of my park rat kids had some frostbite on his nose towards of the day, and he was actually nice and said "thanks" to me for letting him know and he did go in. Those that decided to keep skiing - I know they are feeling the pain now.
So, please, when you go out skiing in less than optimal conditions, be sure that you and your skiing companions check each other frequently for frostbite! If you get those telltale white spots, go in and warm up! It's just not worth that extra run...
 

Jilly

Moderator
Staff member
I was watching the Super G on Sunday from Lake Louise. Temps were really cold. I noticed that one of the Canucks had a neoprene mask on. One of the French gals had her cheeks taped.

You don't know when you have frostbite and it can be very serious. If someone notices and mentions it, get it covered ASAP!
 

Slidergirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
So true about not knowing when you get it unless someone points it out to you. And, those cotton bandanas that the kids wear do not prevent frostbite. They get cold, wet, freeze, and it just puts more on the face.
My lift group today took lots of turns going into the lift shack and warm up. One of us was always in the shack, taking 10 minutes to warm. I mean, I was out at work for 9 hours today. That's a lot of time to be out in that weather. We always take care of each other.
 

ski diva

Administrator
Staff member
I found this online at Outdoorplaces.com, and it might help in identifying exactly what frostbite is:


Frostbite is a medical condition that can happen to anyone. In the most basic terms frostbite is when the skin and/or the tissue under the skin freezes and causes cell damage. This is caused by exposure to cold, either through the air or through a chemical exposure, like to dry ice (frozen CO2) or highly compressed gasses. Under extreme conditions frostbite can occur in seconds. The elderly, young children, people with circulator disorders, and people from tropical climates have a higher risk factor of getting frostbite. People who have had previous cold injuries are also particularly at risk of getting injuries again in the same places.

Frostbite comes in three levels of severity or degrees.

First degree, also called frost nip: Most people who live in very cold climates or do a lot of outdoor activity in the winter have had first degree frostbite (just as most people have had a first degree burn when they get sunburn). Frost nip presents itself as numbed skin that has turned white in color. The skin may feel stiff to the touch, but the tissue under is still warm and soft. There is very little chance of blistering, infection or permanent scarring as long as it is treated properly.

Second degree, superficial frostbite: Superficial frostbite is a serious medical condition that needs to be treated by a trained medical professional. The skin will be white or blue and will feel hard and frozen. The tissue underneath is still undamaged. Blistering is likely which is why medical treatment should be sought out. Proper treatment is critical to prevent severe or permanent injuries.

Third degree, deep frostbite: The skin is white, blotchy and/or blue. The tissue underneath is hard and cold to the touch. This is a life threatening injury. Deep frostbite needs to be treated by a trained medical professional. The tissue underneath has been damaged, in severe cases amputation may be the final recourse to prevent severe infection. Blistering will happen. Proper medical treatment in a medical facility with personnel trained to deal with severe frostbite injuries is required to aid in the prevention of severe or permanent injury.

Just what does frostbite do to the tissues? When you are exposed to cold with the extremities including your feet, hands, nose, ears, and face being at the highest risk, the blood vessels constrict. This is a natural reaction to prevent body heat loss and hypothermia. With a loss of warming blood flow (or in extreme cases where blood flow can not compete with the extreme cold) the fluid within your cells and tissues start to freeze forming ice crystals. These ice crystals take up more room within the cells then when in a fluid state, and cause the cells to rupture. Also, sudden warming can cause the cells to rupture. This is why large blisters can form when there is superficial or severe frostbite.

Frostbite can occur in as little as thirty-seconds in extreme conditions, and even faster in the case of chemical injuries (which we won't cover here). Factors like wind chill, alcohol consumption, altitude, getting wet or being damp and how long you are exposed to the cold all impact how quickly and how severe frostbite can be. Long term exposure to moderate cold with wet boots can cause a more serious injury than a short-term exposure to severe cold with inadequate boots in the case of your feet. It is a complex equation that needs to be weighed careful when being outdoors in the cold.
 

MaineSkiLady

Angel Diva
^^ Especially important for anyone skiing tomorrow/Fri and/or Sat in northern New England, given the predicted wind chills (gusts to 50 mph here tomorrow :eek:)

I have had stage 2 (not from skiing), with blisters, etc. It is not fun.

Full face coverings are in order.
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE.
 

SuZieCoyote

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks

Thanks for the timely reminder. I understand that there were frostbite warnings issued at Breckenridge today. Wasn't there, but heard it was very cold.
 

2ski2moro

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
And then there was a time I was a chaperone on a ski club trip on a particularly cold day...

One of the 13 year olds had a gray/blue splotches all over her face. I took her into the bathroom to apply cool compresses and try to get the circulation going. Soon her skin was pink again with no damage.

Frostbite? Nope. Dye from her new bandana had transferred to her skin.
 

zoomamyd

Angel Diva
Just wondering what you use to cover your face while skiing? No matter what I try it ends up damp and then frozen. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! Thanks =)
 

Snoozie

Diva in Training
it never occurred to me you could get frostbite whilst skiing.
:noidea:

We probably have warmer temperatures in Europe, but i hear it is going to be pretty cold this weekend. thanks for the tip!
 

veggielasagna

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I lucked out last year, went part way up the mtn. on a gondola and down a trail to take a lift up to the top. A patroller asked if he could join for the ride up. Shortly there after he told me I had frost nip on my nose. Granted, it was a very cold below zero day, but I had only come down a short trail. I was lucky he hopped on the lift w/ me or I unknowingly would have ended up w/ some nasty frostbite!

It doesn't take long, cover up!

-veggielasagna
 

pinto

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
And then there was a time I was a chaperone on a ski club trip on a particularly cold day...

One of the 13 year olds had a gray/blue splotches all over her face. I took her into the bathroom to apply cool compresses and try to get the circulation going. Soon her skin was pink again with no damage.

Frostbite? Nope. Dye from her new bandana had transferred to her skin.

LOL! That's a great story. I'm sure it felt awful at the time.

(I know the feeling though: When DD was about 18 months old, she had an encounter with a hot charcoal Weber kettle. We were preparing for guests, and sorta lost track of her. She was in the backyard, started SCREAMING bloody murder and running away from the grill. Holy crap, what did she BURN?? I looked at her hands, and they were covered with white peely looking stuff, and I'm picturing major skin grafts and who knows what. Upon closer inspection, she had merely been eating bananas. She had burned herself, her mouth, but the blisters were better in a couple of days.)
 

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