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Boots HUGE help please

Cygnet

Certified Ski Diva
Sorry @loopylou3 that sounds awful!

If @SnowHot can confirm, I believe Colin is CEM on SkiTalk who is clearly on a much higher level of boot fitting than the average 'good' fitter. I would see Colin just for a consult for my anomaly boot fit issues if I were on holiday in the UK.....
Yes, Colin is CEM on Skitalk....

@loopylou3 - Which shop did you go to? Well done for walking out without buying!

If you can't make it to Bicester it might be worth asking on the Snowheads forum (https://snowheads.com/) for any recommendations nearer to home. (Snowheads is a UK based forum and pretty user friendly.)

Have a look at Rivington Alpine as well. They are a specialist boot fitter in Chorley in Lancashire...
 

Jilly

Moderator
Staff member
Colin Martin, C.Ped
Solutions 4 Feet Ltd

Suite B, Gobles Court
7 Market Square
Bicester
Oxfordshire, OX26 6AA
England
+44 (0)1869 244424
[email protected]
www.solutions4feet.com
Additional Comments: Another shout out for Solutions 4 Feet in Bicester - sorted out my boots, and more importantly sorted out dh who with his previous boots was suffering serious quad burn even before he put on his skis (combination of small wide feet, narrow heel, wide calf). Only problem is that they are over 350 miles away. (whywhy)

I saw Colin of Solutions4feet in Bicester, England. I guess there's no harm in giving him another recommendation. (SaraJ)

I haven't seen Colin as a bootfitter, but I have had some great discussions with him on line. I'm not surprised that you had a good experience with him. (SnowHot)

Diva Rec: whywhy, SaraJ, SnowHot

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loopylou3

Certified Ski Diva
Thanks everyone, the shop with the non existent service today was Anything Technical in Kendal and I am gobsmacked that they are listed as one of about 12 certified boot fitters in the UK, gold standard. I am really cross. He treated me like I was an idiot and did absolutely nothing to correctly assess my feet or the fitting of the boots he was giving me to try on. When I explained why each one didn't feel right he just said "it won't feel right until the liner has been molded to your foot" he just got out every boot they had in my size, there was no reason or explanation as to why each boot was selected.

When I said the 85 weren't stiff enough (I already have 95 that are far too flexible for me. He just said patronisingly "well they are soft because we're in a shop, they will feel stiff in the snow!!!! I know what my boot feels like in the snow and I know what my boot feels like in my house, I'm not an idiot.

I need to work out now how I complain about him to the shop and to the ski boot association that the shop holds a gold standard with.

Noone should get that kind of service.
 

loopylou3

Certified Ski Diva
I have phones up the shop in Chorley today, the only problem with UK shops is the stock they hold. So I checked what's in stock in Chorley and they only have 4 women's boots in my size. They charge for fitting and they charge £100 for every consultation after that should the boots not feel right (which I think is very odd) at least Colin in Bicester offers free unlimited adjustments for 2 years. But he is 4 hours drive and now I'm so wary I'd just rather buy the boots I have in one size smaller.
 

loopylou3

Certified Ski Diva
I checked another shop in otley, they also do proper boot fitting, but again, only have a few boots my size in stock. So it's pointless getting fitted then only having a couple in stock, how will they sell me the RIGHT boot, not the ONLY boot they have!
 

WaterGirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
@loopylou3 just playing devil's advocate - how do you know what size you really are? Clearly you're not a 25.5 based on your photos ;0 but what if you are a 24.5 or a 23.5? Different manufactures boots fit differently and as you stated you may measurement changes with a proper footbed. I totally understand your frustration with having a expert boot fitter near by, but I've driven 8 hours (one way) and flown 2.5 hours to work with fitters, and its been a journey to get into a boot that works for me. And while you may be super frustrated at this point, you have knowledge, and you have stuck your foot in several boots now that you know are probably not going to be candidates. I would try to find the shop that has the most expertise and the most variety of boot stock......
 

TNtoTaos

Angel Diva
@loopylou3 just playing devil's advocate - how do you know what size you really are? Clearly you're not a 25.5 based on your photos ;0 but what if you are a 24.5 or a 23.5? Different manufactures boots fit differently and as you stated you may measurement changes with a proper footbed. I totally understand your frustration with having a expert boot fitter near by, but I've driven 8 hours (one way) and flown 2.5 hours to work with fitters, and its been a journey to get into a boot that works for me. And while you may be super frustrated at this point, you have knowledge, and you have stuck your foot in several boots now that you know are probably not going to be candidates. I would try to find the shop that has the most expertise and the most variety of boot stock......
AND...I discovered that I have one foot larger than the other (not unusual), so the fitter has to decide which size to go with, and then work with one of the boots to adjust the sizing, in addition to the usual tweaking. Just about no one can buy a pair of boots and have them fit perfectly out of the box. When you think of the relatively short amount of time you might spend driving some distance to get the right boot fit, compared to how much time you'll get to ski in them (without pain!) -- no comparison. I've had my present booots for about 8 yrs now, with only minor tweaks now and then over the years as the liners packed, my feet changed, or whatever. And I've never had to pay at the Boot Doctors for any of these adjustments.
 

edelweissmaedl

Angel Diva
@loopylou3 just playing devil's advocate - how do you know what size you really are? Clearly you're not a 25.5 based on your photos ;0 but what if you are a 24.5 or a 23.5? Different manufactures boots fit differently and as you stated you may measurement changes with a proper footbed. I totally understand your frustration with having a expert boot fitter near by, but I've driven 8 hours (one way) and flown 2.5 hours to work with fitters, and its been a journey to get into a boot that works for me. And while you may be super frustrated at this point, you have knowledge, and you have stuck your foot in several boots now that you know are probably not going to be candidates. I would try to find the shop that has the most expertise and the most variety of boot stock......
Chiming in on this idea here. Length is only one variable. Boots come low, medium and high volume. Besides flex as a number the way a boot hinges varies by brand and one may work with your leg anatomy better than another. If your boot is also higher volume than you need in addition to being too long, just buying one size down isn't going to fix it. My first boots were the right length, but medium volume when I need low volume. After the liners packed out very quickly I could practically rotate my ankle inside the boot. (your description reminds me of when I started to swim in my first boots) In the world of low volume regular low volume doesn't cut it and I need the best heel hold I can find. I have boot heaters in my custom footbeds which means a wire runs through a hole in the liner. We don't take my custom footbeds out of my current boots until we have it narrowed down to the best boot of the selection. I know enough and the bootfitter knows enough about the fit/feel to to make that decision with a 'dry fit' before moving the insole over.

It sounds like the recent bootfitting attempt was a dud for multiple reasons, but the boot will feel better after modifications/heat molding. Unless you stick with a comfort fit, it's unlikely the boot will feel perfect out of the box. It's deciding which feels closest to perfect and then adjusting out the other issues. Some issues are easier to fix than others and a good bootfitter should be able to help you in that decision making process. I'm not saying this to encourage settling of any sort, but just trying to help you benefit from what some of us have already learned through trial and error.
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
After much measuring I have come to the conclusion my boots are far too big.

I've had them 5 years, the shop measured me, bought out two pairs, then I went away with one of the two.

Had problems with inner ankle rubbing right from the start but they felt 'comfy' as in my feet were not squashed).

So the shop ground down the plastic footbeds inside the shell. Possibly making everything worse (boot volume bigger)

Got custom footbeds few years ago to try stop the ankle bone on my inner foot rubbing (my feet over pronate without them) just come back from a week in France and my boots have felt lose and sloppy, huge ankle space, side to side movement. And on top they feel far too spongy, I get no support standing in skiing position, they are 95 stiffness but they feel like they fold in half, I can't ever relax on the fast flat bits, they feel saggy. When skiing chopped up snow my boots don't move with me, my foot moves around in my boot. I've tried putting in an extra footbeds under my custom footbeds but it compressed my foot so bad I had to stop in the snow and remove them (while swearing)

When I do up my boots really tight, almost cutting off circulation, my ankle still slips around.

My boots, Dalbello Avanti W95
255 and length 297mm (25.5 boot size)

So, I've come home and cut a piece of green card and put it inside the shell, and it measures 28.3! (See photo, me stood on my custom footbed on the green card!!!)

My foot when stood on my custom footbeds measures 24.8cm

There is a good 3.5cm of free space at the front of my boot. The space for the ankle is enormous and goes back behind the footbed.

When I put my boots on my ski boots normally, my toes never touch the front, ever.

When I put the inners in on their own, there is a thumb of space at the front.

I'm in the UK, so not so many experts here, I'm going to go back to the shop that did my footbeds (not the shop I bought them from), they seem very knowledgeable and have good reviews. I just want to know what to look for and get it right this time. I'm sick of skiing in soft welly boots! But don't want to ski in something that strangles my foot all day and makes me want to scream. The fit is hard to tell in the shop because as soon as you start skiing a few runs everything becomes looser!

I'm assuming I need stiffer boots too.

I'm 5ft 4 tall. 10 stone.
I ski 3 weeks a year, on piste mostly, fast on blues and reds. I ski parallel on reds but carve on blues and less steep reds. I'm not great but definitely not a beginner, been skiing for 9 years ish.

I want to be able to be confident on steeper slopes and choppy snow that I know my skis are doing what my feet say not moving around inside my boot instead.

Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.

I had no idea when I was sold my boots so just assumed that as they felt comfy in the shop they were good!!!!!

And, I've measured my lunge dorsiflexion and I measure about 11cm, not sure if that affects how still I need my boots!
Whew, lots of information here.

First, yes your boots are too big.
Second, if I were you, I'd reach out to Colin Martin at Solutions for Feet. He's a very high level bootfitter and will do right by you.

With your ankle range of motion, you may need a stiffer boot.

You can have a snugger fit that feels comfy, its a misnomer that boots have to be uncomfortable .

I feel like I'm rambling but ....Let me know if you need more info.
 

snoWYmonkey

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
What @SnowHot said about boots and comfort is spot on. I spend 7 hrs a day in my boots. They only hurt when I am stuck riding magic carpets all day.
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Sorry @loopylou3 that sounds awful!

If @SnowHot can confirm, I believe Colin is CEM on SkiTalk who is clearly on a much higher level of boot fitting than the average 'good' fitter. I would see Colin just for a consult for my anomaly boot fit issues if I were on holiday in the UK.....
Yes CEM is Colin Martin on SkiTalk. He's really good.
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks everyone, the shop with the non existent service today was Anything Technical in Kendal and I am gobsmacked that they are listed as one of about 12 certified boot fitters in the UK, gold standard. I am really cross. He treated me like I was an idiot and did absolutely nothing to correctly assess my feet or the fitting of the boots he was giving me to try on. When I explained why each one didn't feel right he just said "it won't feel right until the liner has been molded to your foot" he just got out every boot they had in my size, there was no reason or explanation as to why each boot was selected.

When I said the 85 weren't stiff enough (I already have 95 that are far too flexible for me. He just said patronisingly "well they are soft because we're in a shop, they will feel stiff in the snow!!!! I know what my boot feels like in the snow and I know what my boot feels like in my house, I'm not an idiot.

I need to work out now how I complain about him to the shop and to the ski boot association that the shop holds a gold standard with.

Noone should get that kind of service.
Stiffness of a boot has more to do with physiology than skill level.
With your ankle range of motion, you're going to max out the flex of the boot quickly if you're in anything less than 100 (and really flex numbers are realitive, so don't get hung up in the actual number)

Example, I ski in a 115-120 flex boot most of the time because I have a ton of ankle ROM.
You need something that will push back when you flex to optimize the ROM.

Please for the love of all that is holy, if you can't get into CEM/Colin Martin, then buy a ticket and come visit me in Tahoe. I'll be happy to work with you to get you dialed. :smile:
 

scandium

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Honestly, a good fitter is worth the travel! I tried the "buying a smaller boot in a similar fit to the old boot and then getting punches at the local shop" but it doesn't compare to the fit I have now. I fly to a different city (1.5hours on the plane) and then drive another 30 minutes to see my boot fitter. They are about an hour away from the skifield so I can do "get fitted, then ski, then go back" and have had multiple adjustments included in the price.
 

loopylou3

Certified Ski Diva
Update ladies: I spoke to Colin at Solutions for feet, because I am so far from him he recommended Rivington Alpine. Went there yesterday and the service was fantastic. A full proper assessment of my feet, sizing sat down and stood up, dorsiflexion, a machine to measure the pressure under my feet, shell check, fitted heal stabilisers to the footbeds the Kendal shop made (kendal left them rocking) now they are solid! He liner moulded me with a nice new pair of boots that fit properly, toes touching ends when I put them on, toes coming away when I ski and I can go back for free alterations after I've been skiing. Fingers crossed! At least I have somewhere to go now!
 

contesstant

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Update ladies: I spoke to Colin at Solutions for feet, because I am so far from him he recommended Rivington Alpine. Went there yesterday and the service was fantastic. A full proper assessment of my feet, sizing sat down and stood up, dorsiflexion, a machine to measure the pressure under my feet, shell check, fitted heal stabilisers to the footbeds the Kendal shop made (kendal left them rocking) now they are solid! He liner moulded me with a nice new pair of boots that fit properly, toes touching ends when I put them on, toes coming away when I ski and I can go back for free alterations after I've been skiing. Fingers crossed! At least I have somewhere to go now!
So, what did you end up getting? That does sound like a thorough assessment and fit session!
 

KathrynC

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Update ladies: I spoke to Colin at Solutions for feet, because I am so far from him he recommended Rivington Alpine. Went there yesterday and the service was fantastic. A full proper assessment of my feet, sizing sat down and stood up, dorsiflexion, a machine to measure the pressure under my feet, shell check, fitted heal stabilisers to the footbeds the Kendal shop made (kendal left them rocking) now they are solid! He liner moulded me with a nice new pair of boots that fit properly, toes touching ends when I put them on, toes coming away when I ski and I can go back for free alterations after I've been skiing. Fingers crossed! At least I have somewhere to go now!
Good to hear that you got good service at Rivington Alpine. I've been to Colin a few times, but it's a long way for me (I live in Glasgow) so it's nice to know there is somewhere closer!
 

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