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Women and vulnerable knees

snowgem

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Couldn't resist posting the following! It explains a lot about the knee issues we are having. I

Girls and Women Vulnerable to Knee Injuries

There are many physiological and anatomical differences between men and women beyond the obvious ones -- including, as it turns out, vulnerability to orthopedic injuries. It appears that how women are built leaves us -- and our daughters, like my two soccer players -- four times more likely to suffer knee injuries, especially to the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) in the knee joint. Although the ACL is the smallest ligament in the knee, the fact that it is part of the connective structure between the femur (thigh bone) and tibia (shin bone) makes it critical to stability. A torn ACL can be painful and often requires surgery, followed by four to six months of physical therapy to regain proper functioning and return to sports. New research provides an improved understanding of how to protect yourself from the risk of injury -- not to mention the resulting pain and cost for treatment.

RESEARCH TO DATE

Research a few years ago revealed one major cause of ACL injury in women -- after a jump, as in basketball or volleyball, females tend to land with straighter legs than males do, which puts more pressure on the ACL. Research also has shown that females often have an imbalance between the strength in their quadriceps muscles in the front of the thighs and the hamstring muscles in the back of the thighs. This alters knee functioning and may affect stability.

The newest study on female knees comes from the University of Michigan, Division of Kinesiology, adding a subtle but important additional clue to the ACL/female injury issue. Researchers found that many women athletes maintain a knock-kneed position when landing after a jump. When I called orthopedic surgeon Jo A. Hannafin, MD, PhD, at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City to learn more, she told me that knock-knees come about for several reasons. Some people (both male and female) are simply born this way -- it is the anatomic alignment they were given. But often it is due to yet another muscle imbalance, this one between the inner (medial) and outer (lateral) thigh muscles. In this study, researchers determined that females -- even those who are not knock-kneed -- tend to activate the stronger outer thigh muscles in preparation for a landing. Without equally strong inner thigh muscles to provide balance, the knees rotate even further inward, increasing the risk to the ACL. Playing primarily one sport year-round or repeating the same exercise routines makes injury even more likely -- repetition of one activity builds only the muscles the particular sport requires, and may create a strength imbalance, says Dr. Hannafin. Cross training helps avoid this problem.

Not only jumping sports but any that involve torquing the knees -- the twisting that is inherent in skiing, tennis or even ballroom dancing -- puts pressure on the knee and increases risk of injury, says Dr. Hannafin. This makes it important for all active women to pay special attention to their knee positioning and muscle strength balance.

To find out if your inner and outer thigh muscles are balanced, Dr. Hannafin suggests doing a mini-squat on one leg (described below) -- if the bent knee goes toward the other knee rather than remaining pointed out straight, it shows weakness of the inner thigh muscles and the muscles of the hip and buttock that rotate the knee outward.

PROTECT YOURSELF

Strengthening and balance training exercises to build up the muscles and paying close attention to how you jump, land and pivot can help you avoid such injury. For example, focusing on trying to land with knees that are slightly bent, or decelerating before switching directions when you're moving quickly (as in tennis) may help, according to a report by the Journal of Athletic Training. Here are some suggestions from Dr. Hannafin:

Wear the right shoes. Key: Supportive shoes with a good, strong sole. Avoid flip-flops, sandals and fashion flats as these can aggravate problems in people who are flat-footed or who pronate excessively. Look for sandals with a built-in arch or use an arch support in your shoes.
Stand straight. Pay attention to how you position your hips during all activities, including standing. You can get some sense of this by doing your exercises in front of a mirror, but if you are serious about sports, consider an assessment by a sports physical therapist.
Strengthen hips. Strengthening hips also helps prevent injury. One way to do this is with hip abductions, says Francesco Gallaro, MSPT, CSCS, a certified strength and conditioning coach and physical therapist in Norwalk, Connecticut. These also serve to strengthen gluteus muscles. Do two or three sets of eight to 12 reps of standing resisted hip abductions, using a rubber band. Kick one leg from the midline of your body to the side in a backward diagonal direction. Note: Kick should be a smooth continuous motion. Try to complete the entire set without the foot touching the ground. Good hip strength prevents the knee from rolling inward into a knock-kneed position.
Balance thigh muscles. To strengthen and balance the thigh muscles, Dr. Hannafin advises making a routine of the one-sided mini-squat mentioned earlier. Keep the gluteus (the muscles of your buttocks) tight and pay close attention to activating muscles on both sides of the leg. To perform this exercise correctly, stand on one leg. Bending from the knee, lower your body down until your knee is bent to 45 degrees (you don't have to go all the way to a sitting position for it to be effective). Raise yourself back up. Do two or three sets of 10 repetitions, each leg.
Strengthen the hamstring (for the quad-hamstring imbalances mentioned earlier). Gallaro suggests the deadlift. Stand on one leg, bend your body forward at the waist so you are at a 90-degree angle. Raise yourself back up -- do three sets of eight to 12 reps. The leg not in contact with the floor should be straight and in proper alignment with your trunk. Try performing a set without letting your foot make contact with the ground. As you get stronger, you can do this exercise while holding weights.
Perform leg strengtheners. Leg presses at the gym are also helpful -- but with a strong caveat, says Dr. Hannafin. It's important to maintain proper form, keeping your knees over your feet. Women tend to squeeze their knees together as they push against the platform -- this further strengthens and trains the outside of the quad to do the work, leaving the inner thigh muscles getting weaker. Try placing a small ball between your knees when you are on the leg press.
Don't ignore your core. Finally, Dr. Hannafin recommends core strengthening exercises. Having strong pelvic and lower abdominal muscles, interestingly, helps to protect your knees. Pilates is good for this, of course, as are assorted core-exercise programs that employ large exercise balls.
 

dloveski

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Wow, thanks. Wish I'd known this about 20 years ago---I'm trying to make up for it with my Muscle Up classes now. The instructors kick my butt and I'm working muscles and tendons I didn't know I had. Good advice, thanks for posting.
 

altagirl

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Staff member
Wow, thanks. Wish I'd known this about 20 years ago---I'm trying to make up for it with my Muscle Up classes now. The instructors kick my butt and I'm working muscles and tendons I didn't know I had. Good advice, thanks for posting.

Yeah - I'm with you. Now - I do all the stuff mentioned in the article and more... but at this point, it's a little late. I definitely wish I knew that stuff before my first knee injuries!

Anyway- I would also add that skating has been the best thing imaginable for my knees. It seems to get my VMO's (inner part of the quad) and makes my patellas track better and my knees just feel a lot better overall than they ever did from just doing knee rehab exercises and skiing and biking.
 

Christy

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks for posting that--I've been meaning to look into exercises to protect my knees. Part of Jeanie Thorson's lecture deals with how canting and footbeds can help our knock kneed posture and help reduce ALC tears.

There was also a great article in the NYT about the rate of ACL injury among teenage girls--mostly soccer players, who have an incredible injury rate in this day and age when sports are such a big deal to kids. The author also has a book called "Warrior Girls" about this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/magazine/11Girls-t.html?fta=y
 

Gumbelina

Certified Ski Diva
I found this article https://is.gd/9RWK from the American Physical Therapy Association that talks about some of the same information, but they have a link to some sample exercises: https://is.gd/9RYA about halfway through the article that look promising. I'll take any help I can get in trying to keep my knees in one piece!
 

michpc

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I found this article https://is.gd/9RWK from the American Physical Therapy Association that talks about some of the same information, but they have a link to some sample exercises: https://is.gd/9RYA about halfway through the article that look promising. I'll take any help I can get in trying to keep my knees in one piece!

Thanks for the links! I'm always looking for exercises to make my knees feel better (I have early osteoarthritis and IT band syndrome, yay!). But I might as well enjoy my knees while they don't bother me too much.
 

Toucan

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I hope this doesn't end up as a thread hijack...but I need a little input from you all. Just recently, my left knee has started getting cranky with me, specifically it no longer likes me to go down in a full squat position. It's like I have to balance on my right leg and stick my leg out laterally for balance. When I force it to bend all the way, there is significant sharp pain across the knee cap that radiates around the back of the knee. Very hard to isolate the source, it just hurts like the dickens! DH knows knees (had his ACL reconstructed 20 odd years ago) said it sounds like it could be a cartilege issue. I got a basic knee support today to see if that will make any difference. The knee is fine when I walk normally. I start my ski season next week and really hope my knee doesn't go ballistic.

Okay, now that I have bored you with my life's history, can you suggest anything else I could or should do to ensure my skiing isn't compromised, nor is my knee? I have otherwise no history of arthritis, joint problems, or any other bone/muscle kind of problems, just a suddenly cranky knee.

Thanks for any help!
 

michpc

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I hope this doesn't end up as a thread hijack...but I need a little input from you all. Just recently, my left knee has started getting cranky with me, specifically it no longer likes me to go down in a full squat position. It's like I have to balance on my right leg and stick my leg out laterally for balance. When I force it to bend all the way, there is significant sharp pain across the knee cap that radiates around the back of the knee. Very hard to isolate the source, it just hurts like the dickens! DH knows knees (had his ACL reconstructed 20 odd years ago) said it sounds like it could be a cartilege issue. I got a basic knee support today to see if that will make any difference. The knee is fine when I walk normally. I start my ski season next week and really hope my knee doesn't go ballistic.

Okay, now that I have bored you with my life's history, can you suggest anything else I could or should do to ensure my skiing isn't compromised, nor is my knee? I have otherwise no history of arthritis, joint problems, or any other bone/muscle kind of problems, just a suddenly cranky knee.

Thanks for any help!

I am certainly no expert, but I have cartilage issues with my knees (early osteoarthritis), and I think that one thing to do might be to avoid bending the knee past 90 degrees when doing weightlifting exercises that put a lot of pressure on the knee, like squats, lunges, and leg presses, etc.. At least until the pain starts to subside. It might be better to stick to lower impact lifting.

But again, not a doctor.
 

pinto

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Don't bend your knees that far. I don't think anyone, even pain-free, should bend knees that far, but that's just me.

I can't bend my left knee very far without a lot of pain. I had an MRI that was negative, a year and a half ago. The diagnosis was that I pinched the meniscus (folded it, so to speak, but didn't tear it). However, there is crap floating around in there, because I can feel it. MRIs don't see everything. Or, the floating crap is something else (probably bits and pieces of my patella).

Anyway, knees shouldn't bend past 90 degrees unless they are very young and painless.
 

altagirl

Moderator
Staff member
Yeah - I think to some extent, you just shouldn't expect to be able to squat much past 90 degrees (and stand back up) once you get older or your knees reach a certain degree of wear and tear. Even if you can - it's not necessarily a good idea to do so on a regular basis...

I will say - speed skating has done wonders for both my leg strength and patellar alignment, so now I can squat a little below 90 degrees and stand back up comfortably, which I didn't think I'd be able to do again.

It can't hurt to go see a doctor and see if there is some PT you can do that would help though, and make sure you don't have bigger problems. Even if you have a meniscus tear (which is likely for anyone with... well used knees) they won't do surgery unless it's causing constant pain or the knee is locking. Generally - if you can still tolerate it and do what you want to do - they may prescribe PT to see what can be done that way, but that's about it.
 

valli

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Someone posted a favorable review of the kneebinding over at epicski. One of the local dealers is carrying them and they are about $430 on sale. Not cheap, but a lot cheaper than knee surgery if they work. That is my biggest fear skiing, since I pronate already and get some knee soreness if I ski all day. I've had two good friends tear their ACL's skiing recently. They have a list of dealers on their website, and I'll let you know if I end up getting them.
 
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CMCM

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I've had what I consider weak and problematic knees for more than 25 years. I'm always fearful of a big knee injury. What has helped me most is doing things to strengthen all the supporting muscles around the knee, and also yoga helps. When I wasn't such a good skier I put too much stress on them and they always hurt. Now that I now how to do a properly edged turn, that problem went away. But I'm always mindful of my knees and keeping those muscles around the whole knee strong.

Another thing....very steep runs are harder on my knees, so I limit myself on steeper slopes.
 

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