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Want to Avoid Waxing Your Skis? Consider DPS Phantom 2.0 If Keeping Skis 3+ Years.

BlueSkies

Certified Ski Diva
Apparently they are up and running, and have already done some skis. Right now it’s $125 for just the Phantom application, or you can add a sharpen and base grind for $150 total. You have to leave the skis overnight of course. I really want to go do it during the special, but not sure if I’ll be able to get it done before their end of season.. With you being so close it might be worth it to go now versus fall though!
I'm going to try to get up there tomorrow and get it done.
 

BlueSkies

Certified Ski Diva
Took my skis in around noon time and picked them up this evening. Now I just need to get back out and try them. If anyone is interested in getting their's done, Proctor's is changing to spring hours for next week (Mon-Fri 10 am-6pm), and Saturday will be their last day until late summer.
 

mahgnillig

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
A quick report back on my experience with Phantom...

I'm typically not a fan spring skiing as I'm paranoid about hitting slush patches and getting hurt. I usually end up skiing too cautiously, which translates into skiing poorly, which in turn makes me more likely to fall and hurt myself. Today was my first day out with the Phantom and it was a revelation. It started out icy but warmed up to the mid 40s by the afternoon and got very slushy in places. I could feel the difference in the snow under the skis as I purposely sought out patches of ice/slush/ice/slush, but I didn't feel the skis actually sticking. I never felt as though I was about to be catapulted forwards over my tips, the skis just carried on going. The slush patches definitely felt slower, but not grabby like they did in the same conditions last weekend... the ski performance was just much more consistent across all types of snow. And I actually enjoyed myself instead of worrying about the slush! I was so impressed I'll be getting my other skis Phantomed as well:thumbsup:
 

Ski Sine Fine

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I discovered the cure stations now use a single solution to apply phantom treatment, no longer separated into Part A & Part B. To make a long story short, I didn’t get a chance to phantom my BP88s before heading out to Breckenridge. I arranged to have the shop in Breck with a cure station to apply the treatment using my kit and charge only the $50 labor. They thought my kit has the same stuff they have - only one packet of solution. They wanted to charge more to do Part A & Part B. After checking with REI Denver the single solution is legit, I ended up paying the Breck shop $150 to do it their way and I got an RMA from DPS to return my unused kit.

As backup, I brought my phantomed AJs along. I took both to the mountain to compare, my DIY AJs and the professionally treated BP88s. Right away I noticed how smooth and fast the BPs were. There was no stickiness in the lift lines or anywhere. The AJs were definitely exhibiting the momentary stickiness reported by other DIYers. The AJs were a little slower too. Both cut through the cruddy slush with no problems, but the BPs did a better job due to its wider width. So I’m happy to report although professional treatment yields slightly better results, the DIY route is more than acceptable.
 
I ended up paying the Breck shop $150 to do it their way and I got an RMA from DPS to return my unused kit.
That's good customer service!

I took both to the mountain to compare, my DIY AJs and the professionally treated BP88s. Right away I noticed how smooth and fast the BPs were. . . .
I know version 2.0 is faster than 1.0. Perhaps the new version being used at Break is actually 3.0 and that's part of the reason those skis ran faster.

When I visited the DPS Factory this week, the Product Manager noted that research continues for Phantom.
 

vickie

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
From what I've read before, newly Phantom'd skis tend to be sticky or grabby for a run or two. Mine weren't. Mine were so slick, I almost fell in the lift line. Someone mentioned REI may have waxed them after the Phantom, specifically to overcome initial stickiness. @Ski Sine Fine -- I wonder if that might be the case with your BPs also.
 
From what I've read before, newly Phantom'd skis tend to be sticky or grabby for a run or two.
That was true for the AJs that I treated with Phantom 1.0 at home. My first runs were at Massanutten during a lesson. The glide was fine after two very short runs (Geronimo, green). Didn't seem to be as much of an issue for Phantom 2.0, which I put on my daughter's skis and my old BPs last fall as a DIY project. Felt normal after the first slides to load a chairlift.
 

Ski Sine Fine

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
From what I've read before, newly Phantom'd skis tend to be sticky or grabby for a run or two. Mine weren't. Mine were so slick, I almost fell in the lift line. Someone mentioned REI may have waxed them after the Phantom, specifically to overcome initial stickiness. @Ski Sine Fine -- I wonder if that might be the case with your BPs also.
I was all prepared for that initial stickiness. Then I leaned forward and the BPs just took off. I actually laughed out loud.
 

Ski Sine Fine

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Someone mentioned REI may have waxed them after the Phantom, specifically to overcome initial stickiness. @Ski Sine Fine -- I wonder if that might be the case with your BPs also.
From the tech who did the application, they use a steel roto-brush to get the excess phantom off, then do a buff wax with nylon and then horse-hair root-brush. Gives you instant glide :thumbsup:
 

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