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Touring pants recommendations!

alexashreds

Certified Ski Diva
I just started ski touring and I have found that I am seriously lacking in appropriate pants. I have Salomon softshell XC ski pants that get soaked if I fall on my butt and then I freeze, and REI First Chair Goretex downhill bibs that I am WAY too hot in when I tour. I am open to bibs, pants, just a shell, or something that's a little warmer but not hot. My touring is more backcountry-oriented (think.. mega XC ski days with burlier skis) than skinning up at a resort. My main issue is that I am short (5' tall) and I weigh around 120-125 with all of my weight in my butt and thighs so fit can be kind of a struggle. Any recommendations?!
 

snoWYmonkey

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
While I don't have specific brands to suggest, for me I actually like bibs when touring, but they must have a good drop seat system when all that fluid going in decides it is time to go out.

Also, I look for full lengths pant zips, mostly for extreme cooling on the uphill part of the ski tour. I like a thinner goretex type shell material. As for the length issue, it is a matter of trying on the short versions of the pants that appeal to you. Some can fold under quite nicely, but because of the zippers alterations are usually impossible.

Lastly I like to have brightly colored pants as my legs will be the one thing sticking out of a tree well and might be the one factor that saves me if my friends are behind me and spot the color against the darkness of the tree well.

I have had better luck with the men's versions of pants as they are often shorter...same with bikes actually. I have a long torso and short legs and strong happy legs and a powerful wide bottom!
 

Verve

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Agreed about either full zip or really long vents! I have the black Diamond dawn patrol in both bib and regular pant and find them to be curve friendly and weather proof enough for some spills and light precip. I do have long legs (5’11”). My pants are older and a thicker weave but I have a newer black Diamond recon lt shell and that material is rad - so light & breathable. Curious to hear what others use!
 

alexashreds

Certified Ski Diva
Agreed about either full zip or really long vents! I have the black Diamond dawn patrol in both bib and regular pant and find them to be curve friendly and weather proof enough for some spills and light precip. I do have long legs (5’11”). My pants are older and a thicker weave but I have a newer black Diamond recon lt shell and that material is rad - so light & breathable. Curious to hear what others use!
Thanks! REI has the bibs on sale so I just ordered a pair. Hopefully they fit!
 

alexashreds

Certified Ski Diva
While I don't have specific brands to suggest, for me I actually like bibs when touring, but they must have a good drop seat system when all that fluid going in decides it is time to go out.

Also, I look for full lengths pant zips, mostly for extreme cooling on the uphill part of the ski tour. I like a thinner goretex type shell material. As for the length issue, it is a matter of trying on the short versions of the pants that appeal to you. Some can fold under quite nicely, but because of the zippers alterations are usually impossible.

Lastly I like to have brightly colored pants as my legs will be the one thing sticking out of a tree well and might be the one factor that saves me if my friends are behind me and spot the color against the darkness of the tree well.

I have had better luck with the men's versions of pants as they are often shorter...same with bikes actually. I have a long torso and short legs and strong happy legs and a powerful wide bottom!
The bright color is a really good point!
 

echo_VT

Angel Diva
I have 2 full zip pants, and one with a partial side zip:
- marmot rain pant, precip eco full zip for warm spring touring/skiing, also glacier touring/skiing in the summer (38F and warmer) https://www.marmot.com/women/bottom...-full-zip-pants---short/AFS_889169479502.html — these are a regular length and I flip the waistband to get them shorter

- marmot soft shell rom pant, partial zip for 28F and warmer as long as it’s not precipitating https://www.marmot.com/sale/women/bottoms/womens-gore-tex-rom-pant/AFS_195115064655.html

- Arcteryx hard shell bib, full zip for colder conditions or if it’s precipitating. I think it’s The Theta SV bib, discontinued. I would probably replace with the sentinel bib pant (I have the first generation sentinel jacket) at some point in the future.

I’m slightly taller than yourself but I order the short versions for the second 2 for a shorter inseam (28”).

I did just get Helly Hansen bibs for resort: https://www.hellyhansen.com/en_us/w-verglas-bc-bib-pant-63127 I sent them a question to ask how long the inseam was. I think they told me 29”…? Not sure

I have also acquired these over the past 8 years or so.

here’s what I can say:
- If touring in avalanche territory, find bibs with a pocket at the chest or below the chest with a d ring attachment… this is for the beacon.
- if beacon has its own case, this is a great spot for easy access to snacks
- pant should also have 1 or two pockets on the leg (also with d rings in the pocket) for the radio.
- has to do with interference with those critical devices (also no Bluetooth in the field for those reasons or be mindful of those required distances at the very least for devices to work as intended)
- I personally don’t like the side hatch of the Helly Hansen bib pant, but seems like the center zip cannot coexist with this pattern.
- I remove the suspenders for the soft shell and the rain pant is just a pant.
- suspenders: I keep them for the Arcteryx hard shell because they are comfy, I just have to remember to tuck in my top layers. Not a problem as the fit is ideal for this. I leave them hanging when walking up and in my transition I put them on as part of the transition to downhill. It’s comfortable this way, keeps powder and snow out — and I prefer this pattern by far however lack of pockets make this hard. There are small front pockets of the bibs and I pack snacks in there.
- suspenders: it’s not removable for the helly Hansen bib pant. However the pant has belt loops so you can opt to not use the suspenders, but would have to tuck them in or let them drape.
- there is roominess in the rain pant for flexion and also to accommodate more of a bum. there is no lining, so should be worn with a liner pant or short underneath. Can be a bit uncomfortable with the short and no lining on the pant, but it’s not a dealbreaker.
- There is not room in the soft shell rom pant however it is 4 way stretch. It is fleece lined. I often just wear a short under neath this. I have this to mainly not wear out my nicer hard shell pant and add some breathability that I don’t have with the hard shell when the conditions allow for it.
- Helly Hansen bib pant is also 4 way stretch, I got a size bigger bc I also snowboard and need to flex easily when riding. Not fleece lined like the softshell.
- Arcteryx hardshell has no lining.

if any Qs happy to answer

I also looked at Stio and outdoor research and read a lot of reviews
 
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Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I'm not sure how helpful this will be, but I'm 5'0", 102lbs, and tour in a pair of Patagonia shells that are short length, but I can't figure out which model it is; and a pair of REI unlined soft shells, also a short length, that are about 13 years old. The Patagonia shell fits well, but I have to admit that the REI soft shell is a weird cut and kind of "hippy." The latter is all that existed in a short at the time, so I went with it, but the significant downside is the lack of side zips. Hopefully they make a more flattering cut these days! I guess the only takeaway from my post is that Patagonia and REI both make short length shells.
 

echo_VT

Angel Diva
Oops didn’t read the follow up posts, didn’t see you already made a decision! Hope it works. Also happy to discuss options if you want to add additional pants
:dancing:
 

Rainbow Jenny

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I’ve been happy with my 6 year old Dynafit Yotei, especially with the ankle side zip for when my top buckle access was paramount for my boots’ walk/ski mode. But the material is thin, I’ve had to patch them from the inside a few times. And the position of waist pocket is, I rather have thigh pocket

Been eyeing https://www.stio.com/products/womens-environ-bib
But decided against them because of the lack of ankle side zip.

Arc’ pants too long for my 5’5” frame.

So I am also shopping for a new pair, appreciate all the comments here.
 

alexashreds

Certified Ski Diva
I’ve been happy with my 6 year old Dynafit Yotei, especially with the ankle side zip for when my top buckle access was paramount for my boots’ walk/ski mode. But the material is thin, I’ve had to patch them from the inside a few times. And the position of waist pocket is, I rather have thigh pocket

Been eyeing https://www.stio.com/products/womens-environ-bib
But decided against them because of the lack of ankle side zip.

Arc’ pants too long for my 5’5” frame.

So I am also shopping for a new pair, appreciate all the comments here.
Those Stios look really nice! I think I tried on a pair of Stio pants over the weekend. They came in short and they fit me nicely in the waist, but they didn't have any way to make the leg wider so I didn't get them. They were more of a casual pant but I thought they might work for warmer days. Spending $459 on a pair of ski pants is a little rough so I may circle back to these if I exhaust all other possibilities.
 

Beckster

Certified Ski Diva
I love my Ortovox hard shell pants. Really roomy through the legs and hips with adjustable Velcro waist straps. Oversized thigh pockets to quickly stuff a hat or gloves as you warm up on the climb. It can even hold your LVS or an XL iPhone. Then a roomy normal groin pockets. Of course leg vents. All well sealed seems and zippers, breathable and really durable material especially at the cuffs.
I don’t like bibs because a girl’s gotta pop a squat sometimes and they’re too hot for me. In fact my Norrona jacket shell also has a front vent in addition to extra long pit zips.
I also have Ortovox soft shell pants with many of the same features. They’re still looking great after 8 years of sunny ski tours.
 
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arbusch

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I am loving flylow siren bibs for the backcountry. Breathe really well and waterproof. Lots of pockets. The chest pocket has a d ring to clip in your beacon. Easy to vent and easy drop seat for bathroom breaks. I am 5'5" and not too long and have a baggy fit on me. I am fairly slim. It looks like they changed the thigh pocket location this year. I have a model from a couple of years ago and they are more on top of your thighs.


 

alexashreds

Certified Ski Diva
I thought I would update everyone on what I found! I ordered 2 different pants:

the Black Diamond Dawn Patrol Hybrid pant in a size small (on sale at REI: https://www.rei.com/product/237894/black-diamond-dawn-patrol-hybrid-pants-womens),

and the OR Skytour AscentShell Bibs in a small (short length) and a medium (short length) because I found I was right in between sizes according to the size chart (50% off at the OR website https://www.outdoorresearch.com/col...hell-bibs-283208?_pos=21&_fid=670dea692&_ss=c).

The dawn patrol pants are a great color, nice weight, they are definitely long but they are JUST short enough that I don't step on them when I walk. I was disappointed to find out the suspenders were not actually included with the pants (didn't realize they were sold separately). These pants fit really nicely over the butt/thighs but they're slightly big in the waist (this is the problem I always have) so the suspenders would definitely help. Since these are from REI, I've used them and they were great! It was a warm day so I wore lycra shorts underneath for uphill laps at a resort. If I keep these, I will probably just pick up a pair of suspenders somewhere.

The OR bibs I just got last night. As expected, I am right between sizes. The smalls fit with long underwear underneath but they are definitely a little snug through the thigh/butt. The pants are quite stretchy so I think they'll be fine. The short length is perfect. The mediums are definitely baggier and longer on me although they would function. I'm still trying to decide which size would be the better choice. These have a nice zip on either side for venting and peeing. They're a little weird to put on but that's fine.

I will PROBABLY keep one pair of bibs plus the dawn patrol pants. I like the bibs for backcountry days, and the pants for resort laps, hiking, snowshoeing, etc.
 

nkellan

Diva in Training
I am loving flylow siren bibs for the backcountry. Breathe really well and waterproof. Lots of pockets. The chest pocket has a d ring to clip in your beacon. Easy to vent and easy drop seat for bathroom breaks. I am 5'5" and not too long and have a baggy fit on me. I am fairly slim. It looks like they changed the thigh pocket location this year. I have a model from a couple of years ago and they are more on top of your thighs.


I like these Flylow bibs but I find their fit can be a bit tight on a curvier person. As someone 5'4, 140-ish pounds, with skier/runner thighs, I have to size up in the Flylow bibs so that I can even use the pockets/they're not too tight on my butt and legs. I do love the material though, and the drop seat and vents are great.
 

Tori_j

Diva in Training
I have the Trew Chariot Primos.
Great things:
Has all the pockets and every pockets has a d-ring to keep that beacon away from your phone.
Half moon zipper for peeing in the woods. Game changer!
Comes in Short, Normal and Long sizes!
Has super burly material on the inside ankles so you don't slice them up.

Bad things:
They are expensive. Follow their IG for sales.
The leg vents are on the inside thighs. When they are open, if you don't not have thigh gap, they kinda clank on each other as you walk. Not too bad when touring, but annoying when bootpacking.
 

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