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THE most insane thing I've seen on the mountain

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
A picture would have been great, but you'll visualize this just fine on your own!

There's a road here, called Bogus Basin Road. It's 16 miles long, and has been written up as having 140-something hairpin turns. I'm not so sure I'd call them all hairpin, but that's beside the point. It climbs up through Boise's foothills to the base area of Bogus Basin ski resort -- it's about a 3000 foot elevation change.

We've had a bit of snow this week. :snow: Something like 65 inches (that's over my head!) of powder over the last eight days. Down here in the valley, we've had quite a bit too -- maybe two feet? It's wetter, heavier stuff down here, and that's a lot of snow for a desert community!

Bogus Basin Road is the only road I know of in the entire area (aside from state and federal highways) that is ever touched by a snow plow. It was nasty driving up today. I'm glad DH doesn't seem to mind it too much, cuz I sure wouldn't want to do it! I'm also mighty grateful that there are HUGE plow piles on the downhill side of the road -- it's a long way down!

Today was, as I said, pretty nasty -- We were up yesterday, and after we left, it started snowing. 16 inches of powder between then and when we woke up this morning DH suggested that maybe I could talk him out of skiing today (what, you think maybe you want to stay home today, dear? But you'll miss out on 16 inches of fresh snow!) The crew had things in halfways decent shape, but even halfways decent was still pretty slippery -- the first of it was landing on sun-warmed roads, so it started out slushy, turned icy, and then snow on top, you know how it is... So it was slow going.

NOT the kind of day you wanted to be driving a little "tin can" car, right?

Well, as we were coming down this afternoon, the lines of traffic were terrifying. Terrifying because they weren't moving. Did I mention this is a two lane road, and narrowed by all the snow? The crews have been doing a great job, but it's falling almost as fast as they can clear it, it seems, and keeping things full width, well, let's just say they could use a couple of snow-free days to catch up!


Cars WERE heading up -- there's still several hours of skiing...

We're plodding down the road, nothing's coming our way, and we're barely moving.

Round a little bend, clear another snow pile, and NO WONDER! There's a guy, stopped in the middle of the road, putting chains on his tires.

Down the way a little further, the minivan, tires spinning like mad, the road's NARROW here, and he's sliding left-right-left-right, and DH is saying, NOOOOOOOOOO stay on your OWN side of the road! as we pass him. Still VERY lowly. We'll pass a few more like this along the way, but oh my, look who's next!

One of those little box cars, it's white, a Scion, maybe? This is very strange, they're heading up with the driver's side door hanging wide open. And at the left rear corner? A guy, PUSHING this car UP the mountain!!!!

You gotta want to go skiing pretty darned badly to push your car up a sixteen mile ribbon of ice!

Kano
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
By the way..

I hope our other Boise area Divas had a great time up on Bogus this weekend too -- and safe drives both ways!

Kano
 

Bravosarah

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
You gotta want to go skiing pretty darned badly to push your car up a sixteen mile ribbon of ice!

Kano

:laugh: That's hilarious! I'm glad you guys made it without incident.
 

Robyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Almost more scary, I saw this about 2 months ago, a white rear-wheel drive BMW being pushed up toward the Eisenhower tunnel in the middle lane of 3 during a snow storm. Um, yep, that's right, traffic coming in lanes on either side of these people.

But, yes, I agree, from what I remember that was a scary road although I haven't been on it for over 15 years.
 

Little Lightning

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
We were at Taos last week. On Monday it was snowing and blowing all the way up the mtn. Traffic slowed to a crawl. A car was pushing a truck up the hill. On Tues. and Wed. the truck was parked in the lot. On Thurs. they were pulling the same truck back down the hill!:confused:
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Almost more scary, I saw this about 2 months ago, a white rear-wheel drive BMW being pushed up toward the Eisenhower tunnel in the middle lane of 3 during a snow storm. Um, yep, that's right, traffic coming in lanes on either side of these people.

Yikes, yes! I'm guessing that traffic wasn't moving nearly as slowly in that scene either!


But, yes, I agree, from what I remember that was a scary road although I haven't been on it for over 15 years.

It's been improved -- at least it's mostly smooth now! They've also put those "portable" cement barriers along the low side in many areas.

This would be a GREAT year to come back and enjoy a bit of nostalgia -- been a long time since there's been so much snow up there!

Kano
 

dvmvail

Certified Ski Diva
Robyn...those folks are lucky they aren't DEAD! I once was headed over the pass and someone was stopped at the entrance to the tunnel....no flashers no nothing, just totally stopped. I almost plowed into them at 65+....thankfully no one was in the other lane.

Kano...you are a BRAVE girl. I really wanted to go up to Bogus but must admit I was worried about the road. I don't think you'd find a road planned like that nowadays. Thank goodness for the snow bank "guardrails" And yes, I've heard its 161 turns on the way up.

Can you believe the snow!!!!! it's so unheard of for this area. Thankfully I am free during the week so I try and hit the mountain on the weekdays....let me know if you are headed up and we can try to carpool. I just bought snow tires....

But back to the important stuff........how much FUN was it up there with all the snow?? I was up there before the big weekend dump (tue & wed) and it was awesome then...still 6 inches of fresh both days.
 

Robyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Robyn...those folks are lucky they aren't DEAD! I once was headed over the pass and someone was stopped at the entrance to the tunnel....no flashers no nothing, just totally stopped. I almost plowed into them at 65+....thankfully no one was in the other lane.

Fortunately traffic was moving fairly slowly and we were all on high alert because we were playing slalom around multiple vehicles that had no traction but I was stunned as I watched that. The same day also had others that were stuck in the middle of lanes of traffic getting out to walk around their car. I'm shocked nobody was killed that day. I actually called state patrol finally and said that they needed to get people there asap or there was going to be a major accident with multiple deaths.
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Kano...you are a BRAVE girl. I really wanted to go up to Bogus but must admit I was worried about the road. I don't think you'd find a road planned like that nowadays. Thank goodness for the snow bank "guardrails" And yes, I've heard its 161 turns on the way up.

I agree -- it wouldn't be built that way now, but can you imagine what it would take to "remodel" it????

DH drives. He won't let me! (and I don't get permission for much of anything, but I don't mind being told I can't drive there, especially on a day like yesterday!)


Can you believe the snow!!!!! it's so unheard of for this area.

We haven't been through a winter like this in years -- it reminds me of being a Minnesotan again...


Thankfully I am free during the week so I try and hit the mountain on the weekdays....let me know if you are headed up and we can try to carpool. I just bought snow tires....

Oh man, I WISH! Day job needs me more than I need them, and it may well be time to chuck it to free up more ski time! You know about the Vertigals, don't you? They meet down at the bottom and drive up on Wednesdays.

We got tires this month too, and the Durango kinda likes that road!



But back to the important stuff........how much FUN was it up there with all the snow?? I was up there before the big weekend dump (tue & wed) and it was awesome then...still 6 inches of fresh both days.

Saturday morning was beautiful lotsa powder, lotsa crud. Lotsa FUN! A guy told me the Bitterroot area was, well, 3 feet of untracked powder, since it's closed all week long, so, it was, ... (shame to waste it on a race!) I stayed on the front side. Clouds up top kept me there, since I like to see what I'm skiing, especially if it's not "pretty." Turns out that was an EXCELLENT idea: lift lines were insane on the back side -- like never before! On the front side, no waiting!

-- Sunday morning was BEAUTIFUL! Started snowing after we left Saturday and by the time we got there, 16 inches had fallen! Again, the front side was a good place to be. PLENTY of fun to be had -- new territory to be explored, and new mischief to get into. Y'know the trees and all under and to the left of the Deer Point lift? That's a fun place to ski, and scare DH! You know the little clump of trees at the top of Coach? The powder was REALLY DEEP there. Good thing the skis came off when they did -- if we hadn't bailed on one another, something ugly would have happened. Not necessarily painful, but it wouldn't have been pretty!

DH aches. I took the off trail class a few weeks ago, and even though I took more tumbles, I coulda kept skiing, if he and the other guy we were with hadn't crapped out!

(he DID say we will have to get me some skis that don't blend into the snow if I'm going to keep having to dig them out of deep stuff! I'll keep digging 'em out -- it's better than having them toss me around on the "groomed crud" was!)

Kano
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Kano your description was great I can picture it now!!!
:dance:
 

MaineSkiLady

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Feeling your driving pain here. We have a somewhat similar (though probably not quite THAT hairy) 15 mile 2 lane to Sugarloaf past the last town/outpost of civilization that is simply notorious for its hazardous curves. There was no other way to cut the road - solid rock faces on one side, river on the other. Earlier this winter, we were first on the scene of a fairly low speed but nonetheless full bore head-on collision in which both cars were totaled - amazing that none of the 4 people involved was hurt. Must have been low speed, as no air bags deployed.

How awesome for all the Rocky Mountains this winter, though! :snow: Last year was a lean one there, I heard, so Mother Nature is making up for lost time (and snow!). Enjoy the snow but BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!
 

jaydog

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
mmmm...I love the 20 miles of interstate highway up to my local area. Except, of course, when it closes for avalanche control.
 

Gloria

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
boy you'd think some of those people didn't go to drivers ed! OMG
We were meeting up with some people a couple of weeks ago to ski the CarltonRidge Lolo peak area. So anyway it had rained at lower elevations for I guess some portion of the night, I guess we were sleeping. So we get out to the main road and it's literally 3" thick boilerplate ice. 3 miles we're out on the Highway and then on 93 and it wasn't too bad here, but when we turned onto Carlton, the 3 inch ice again, so just after you turn it goes uphill. Just uphill there is a huge dodge truck sliding backwards, so I ( not driving ) pulled the shifter down into 2nd and told my husband, Punch it, get around this guy, so he does, of course right after we get around him the road flattens out unexpectidly and there is a stop sign and straight across the creeK! Realizing he can't stop now he just goes for, makes the right hand turn we are fishtailing etc but think we need to make an immediate left. So he goes for it. We slid sideways right down into the burrough pit, so steep I thought we were going to roll at one point and then just boom came to a stop about 3/4" away from a spit rail fence. The funny thing is we managed to drive right out. My husband wanted to turn around and go home, I'm like no! So we proceed on, every intersection there is a car off the road. We were so worried out friends had left us by this point, but alas, they didn't, they did almost the same thing we did, except missing a huge steel water wheel and line:fear: . It ended up being funny, but man, those I think were the worst roads I have ever seen in my life.
 

alaski

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Yikes. I can't stand it when people take their worthless city cars out in bad conditions. It even happens here in Alaska, where you'd think people would know better.
 

jeskahk

Diva in Training
Pushing your car up the hill is pretty bonkers! You'd think these people would at least realize that it's crazy hard to push your car uphill on dry pavement, let alone icy roads.

Of course, the craziness we all see driving up to the mountains explains a lot of the lack of judgment we see going down the slopes! Maybe I should start putting my helmet on when I leave my house and not wait for the ski area....
 

climber.girl1

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Hahah, this reminds me of something I saw growing up. The roads were VERY icy and there was spot on our road where it dipped down to go under the freeway and then back up. There was a car stuck at the bottom of this dip. Couldn't go forward, couldn't go backward. Just kept revving it up, getting ten or twenty feet up the hill, and slowly sliding back down. I felt bad for them, but it was still pretty funny!

Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons, which lead to Brighton, Solitude, Alta, and Snowbird, frequently require chains or 4x4, and I'm amazed at some of the idiots who get up those roads anyway. And those two roads go up through some of the worst avy terrain in the country. Roads get closed for bombing and clearing, but there are still unexpected slides. Four days ago a bunch of parked cars got buried in LCC after a slide! :eek:
 

joycemocha

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Some of the folks going up to and down from Timberline are pretty scary. Yesterday, two of them got bogged down at the entrance of the parking lot, and were chaining up to get out of their mess. No traction tires, don't know how they made it up the hill in that minivan!

Meanwhile, an Expedition is spinning out behind them--an old-fashioned soft-top Jeep with winter tires went wide around the Expedition and got out of the way, the Expedition finally got moving (not into the parking lot, fortunately!) and I ended up parking next to the Jeep.

On the way home, though, I followed a guy who was so nervous about the high snowbanks that he drove down the middle of the road. Not so bad on Timberline Road, necessarily (although I was muttering and mumbling and wondering just why someone that scared of snow driving was skiing), but when he hit Highway 26 and started going down the middle of THAT....:faint:

It ended up okay. I'll be glad when the crowds on the highway thin out, though! My Subaru with studless traction tires gets me through well enough, which makes me happy. I don't mind snow driving, really. Ice driving...well, that's a different story.
 

Jilly

Moderator
Staff member
The Province of Quebec has mandated snow tires for next winter. No tires, no go. I bought a new Equinox late last winter. Didn't put snow's on it, but I'm seriously looking into it now. It's not the same truck as my Jimmy was. Since this thing is going to have to last 5 years, I will probably have to put tires on it sometime, but winter snow tires will save the original tires, and cost will be similar. Chain and/or studs are not allowed in Ontario or Quebec. Not that some people don't have them!!
 

persee

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
The Province of Quebec has mandated snow tires for next winter. No tires, no go. I bought a new Equinox late last winter. Didn't put snow's on it, but I'm seriously looking into it now. It's not the same truck as my Jimmy was. Since this thing is going to have to last 5 years, I will probably have to put tires on it sometime, but winter snow tires will save the original tires, and cost will be similar. Chain and/or studs are not allowed in Ontario or Quebec. Not that some people don't have them!!

Jilly,

Are snow tires mandated on all roads? For visitors? A group of us has given thought to going up to Carneval next year or in 2 years so it'd be good to know exactly what the rule is.
 

dloveski

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Ditto.

I drive BCC 3-4 times per week and am amazed at the stupidity of some dirvers who don't get it. I've been passed on snow-packed roads, while in 4WD and then pull in next to these yahoos (often from CA) in the parking lot, despite their frenzy to get there. What is the point in passing a bunch of cars in a blizzard to make it to the lot a few minutes before th others? And sometimes, one yahoo like this rolls it and shuts the canyon down for an hour or more, punishing everyone else for their macho driving rush thing.

The point: chill---don't take others down with you on your race up the mountain.
 

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