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Slack Country Anyone?

Ski Robin Ski

Certified Ski Diva
Hi all. I skied Vallee Blanche at Chamonix last year and it was the most incredible experience of my life. It only required a nerve-wracking 20-minute hike down a narrow ledge, though, to get to the start point. I don’t think I can hike uphill very much, (tho I’m planning to do more cardio!) so I’m interested in other ways to get off piste. I live for powder! I’ve heard that’s called Slack Country. Is anyone familiar?
 

santacruz skier

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
It only required a nerve-wracking 20-minute hike down a narrow ledge, though, to get to the start point
I've been to Chamonix twice (2013 and 2014). Skied the Grands Montets from the top ! I've heard the Vallee Blanche is amazing but I was too afraid of the nerve wracking hike down. The Grands Montes you just get off the tram and walk down about 200 metal stairs... not wonderful but not as scary as roped together.
 

Ski Robin Ski

Certified Ski Diva
I've been to Chamonix twice (2013 and 2014). Skied the Grands Montets from the top ! I've heard the Vallee Blanche is amazing but I was too afraid of the nerve wracking hike down. The Grands Montes you just get off the tram and walk down about 200 metal stairs... not wonderful but not as scary as roped together.
Oh my god, you’ve got to try it! Once you begin, it’s a vast ocean of snow. Our teip
Was cancelled due to the cable car being closed because it was too windy. Then it snowed the night before our makeup date and we made fresh tracks! It was long, but totally doable for advanced intermediate, which I guess I am. We had a guide and I was roped between my 20-year-old son and our guide. I had the gear to carry the skis on my back and they put crampons on the bottom of our ski boots. It’s SO extraordinary. I don’t know. Is there some pill you can take that would ease your fear but not affect your ability to ski? Just kidding. I think. I am on a bench in Central Park right now and the people sitting next to me are speaking French. That’s an omen for you!
 

santacruz skier

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
I've heard the actual ski down the Vallee Blanche is easier than the ski down from the Grands Montets.... it was fine and clear out. A friend and I decided to do it without a guide (possibly not the smartest thing). It was pretty amazing but imagine the Vallee Blanche was amazing as well (except for the aforementioned hike down roped together part.)
 

Sallydog

Diva in Training
Hi all. I skied Vallee Blanche at Chamonix last year and it was the most incredible experience of my life. It only required a nerve-wracking 20-minute hike down a narrow ledge, though, to get to the start point. I don’t think I can hike uphill very much, (tho I’m planning to do more cardio!) so I’m interested in other ways to get off piste. I live for powder! I’ve heard that’s called Slack Country. Is anyone familiar?
Sounds like you might enjoy / get a lot out of doing a level 1 avalanche training. Even if you’re mainly an inbounds skier, you’ll come away with a strong sense of when it’s not a good idea to go off piste, especially when it’s super tempting. Look for one at a hut (untracked snow). They are usually three days with gear rental options, textbook & on the snow learning.
 

Ski Robin Ski

Certified Ski Diva
Sounds like you might enjoy / get a lot out of doing a level 1 avalanche training. Even if you’re mainly an inbounds skier, you’ll come away with a strong sense of when it’s not a good idea to go off piste, especially when it’s super tempting. Look for one at a hut (untracked snow). They are usually three days with gear rental options, textbook & on the snow learning.
That sounds so interesting! I don’t think I’d go off piste very far without a guide, especially not alone. But I’d love to learn and be more knowledgeable. Are there some you would recommend?
 

Sallydog

Diva in Training
That sounds so interesting! I don’t think I’d go off piste very far without a guide, especially not alone. But I’d love to learn and be more knowledgeable. Are there some you would recommend?
Yes! Check out Colorado Adventure Guides. They offer the level 1 course a few times each season, some at a hut near Breckenridge.
 

AJM

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
So I just Googled "slackcountry" to see what came up and yup its pretty much how I would describe it ie easily accessible out of bounds terrain just outside of resort boundaries.

We have a lot of slackcountry around our local ski hill and whilst its tempting to just boost off into it we always need to remember it is actually "backcountry" therefore not controlled and all the same precautions need to be taken in terms of avy training and equipment .... shovels, probes, transceivers etc and know how to use them.

One local patroller hates the term "slackcountry" as he feels anything out of the ski area boundaries should be considered "backcountry" and treated as such.

It does seem as though there is a lot of confusion out there as to what the various terms mean such as On Piste, Off Piste, Backcountry, Slackcountry etc etc depending on where you are geographically. I think we here in NZ are more aligned with the US and Canada whereas Europe is a whole different ball game.
 

TNtoTaos

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Interesting conversation! Never heard the term "slack country".
 
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Rainbow Jenny

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Angel Diva
Slackcountry or sidecountry, I think of them similarly where you start inside lift assist resort and travel out of bound. Have done it at CA Alpine Meadows toward the Munchkins and Mammoth through Hole in the Wall. I carry my safety gear when out there, they’re backcountry zone.

Second @Sallydog about getting as much avalanche training such as companion rescue and avalanche level 1 course as possible.

@Robin Epstein, don’t follow any guide blindly without making your own life and death decision. Lost a brilliant friend with 35 year experience and went out with a guide friend who has written an avalanche textbook.
 
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snoWYmonkey

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Another way to access backcountry in some areas with minimal hiking is shuttled car laps. If you are thinking of training in order to get stronger for ski touring, that is not lift or car accessed backcountry, aka side or slack country skiing, then stairs with a pack and heavy hiking boots can be a place to start if you live far from snow covered hills. Another option if you have easy snow access but not resort access is to nordic ski in BC (heavier duty) gear. Just remember that terrain and avalanche risks are no less even when walking or nordic skiing if there are hills around.

If it is powder you seek with minimal effort and budget is less of a concern, a trip or two a year to Japan where most days are powder days, might be in order.
 

HuntersEmma57

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Hi all. I skied Vallee Blanche at Chamonix last year and it was the most incredible experience of my life. It only required a nerve-wracking 20-minute hike down a narrow ledge, though, to get to the start point. I don’t think I can hike uphill very much, (tho I’m planning to do more cardio!) so I’m interested in other ways to get off piste. I live for powder! I’ve heard that’s called Slack Country. Is anyone familiar?
Hey there! Welcome. I hadn't heard the term so I researched it. Not sure I want to get onboard with the Slack Country moniker.

Spouse and I have been a backcountry Nordic skier for years - typically on lower angle terrain (not avalanche prone). The last 7 years, we've been skiing out of a nordic center that covers about 20% of the bottom one of the highest peaks in our area. We use fat skis (Voilé Vectors) with fish scale traction pattern, telemark bindings, and 3-buckle telemark boots. While the upper mountain is definitely avalanche prone, we rarely have avalanches come inbounds and we know what trails are prone to slides. We wait 48 hrs after a heavy dump to let the snowpack settle. When skiing that area, we typically wear a beacon, probe, shovel. We are prepared for self-rescue and survival in our sizeable backpacks.

This rolling and switchbacked terrain requires being able to herringbone and sidestep steeper pitches. The bindings have 2 bales that flip up for long steeper ascents. Because it's most shorter steeps, skins are not much fun because you can't glide the fun interim downhill pitches and taking skins off and is a PIA. This peak attracts a good number of traditional backcountry skiers who do one long ascent. We get nearly the same and typically more vertical just spread out over more miles. Doesn't feel like slacking to me. But it's really ok with me if no one else discovers this.

Then there's our home alpine resort, Powder Mtn the one in Utah), which is just across the valley. As a rare inverted resort with the lodges and parking at the top and set within a series of tabletop mountains (and some classic peaks), we used to be able to park and skin or Nordic ski pre- and post-season. The BEST ever. That's off the table now. New owners took half the mountain private.

Powder has had a long and storied history of inbounds, but not lift serviced terrain. Buses still circulate on the road to pick up skiers from Powder Country and Woody's World. While a lift was installed last year to LIghtning Ridge (formerly catskiing terrain) skiers/riders can still bootpack or skin up to James Peak or even go off the backside. Getting out was herculean. We used to Nordic BC from the parking lot to where the catskiing operation dropped skiers off and where the lift now dumps ya. That uphill skiing is off the table now, too.

We have full season passes, but uphill traffic is being curtailed. So get it while you can, where ever you can. It is so raw, so uncrowded, and a true adventure. For us, having an intimate understanding of the common avalanche points is invaluable. Even inbounds on a now 12,500 acre resort, it's gonna take a lot of time to find us. Avi mitigation can't cover it all.
 

marzNC

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
I don’t think I can hike uphill very much, (tho I’m planning to do more cardio!) so I’m interested in other ways to get off piste. I live for powder! I’ve heard that’s called Slack Country. Is anyone familiar?
Have you skied Alta much? There is an entire section called Catherine's off the Supreme lift that is in-bounds off-piste terrain that requires a 5-10 hike. Key is that Alta Ski Patrol pays attention to that terrain. In contrast there are areas just outside the Alta boundary that is "backcountry" where people hike up and ski down. If they get into trouble, more than a call to ski patrol to get help.

Fair to say that when Catherine's is open after a powder storm, it takes a bit longer for it to be skied out than other off-piste terrain that doesn't require any hiking at all.
 

marzNC

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Oh yes! I do love Catherine's.
Do you have a beacon yet?

All of my long time ski instructors pushed the idea of wearing a beacon even for in-bounds off-piste skiing once I reached a stage of getting off groomers for adventure skiing more than 50% of the day when snow conditions were good. Takes a while to develop the habit of wearing it and turning in on/off at appropriate times. I always take a longer lunch, and it doesn't make sense to wear out the battery when indoors for an hour.
 

marzNC

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Do you have a beacon yet?

All of my long time ski instructors pushed the idea of wearing a beacon even for in-bounds off-piste skiing once I reached a stage of getting off groomers for adventure skiing more than 50% of the day when snow conditions were good. Takes a while to develop the habit of wearing it and turning in on/off at appropriate times. I always take a longer lunch, and it doesn't make sense to wear out the battery when indoors for an hour.
Realized my reply asking about using a beacon was meant for the OP, @Robin Epstein , not the Diva who answered about Catherine's.

I don’t think I can hike uphill very much, (tho I’m planning to do more cardio!) so I’m interested in other ways to get off piste. I live for powder!

I didn't reach the stage of feeling confident enough to ski more challenging off-piste terrain on a regular basis until after age 60. In my 50s, I was an adventurous intermediate who didn't think skiing Catherine's or the Supreme Bowl at Alta was ever going to happen. As I approach 70, my sense is that I can keep improving technique for another decade at least. However, when it comes to out-of-bounds terrain that won't happen without a professional guide.

One approach I've taken in recent years is to book semi-private Full Day lessons. Usually with an instructor I've worked with in the past or a recommendation from someone who knows my interests. My friends who do such a lesson with me are advanced skiers, usually all over 60. Then part of the day is for "adventure skiing" that might include hiking and part of the day is for working on technique. Usually the technique work is on groomers, but can also be on in-bounds bumps or in trees. Been great fun at Alta, Wolf Creek, Bridger, and Crested Butte in the last few seasons. Doesn't really matter if the snow conditions are stellar or not. We always gain experience not only for the skiing, but also where to go in the future.
 
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