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Sistah's review of a Bro

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Tester: 41 year old Female, 125 lbs 5'6", Advanced skier.
Equipment Tester usually skis: Blizzard Titan Eos 166cm(88w), Blizzard Mag SL 155cm(64w), Bluehouse MR171 (94w)
Skis Primarily on Michigan mole hills but has taken to some teensy weensy trips to some Mountains with many more to come! :D
Comfort zone of tester: Confident with Speed, crud, & steeps, improving in Bumps and trees.

Manufacturer:
PM Gear
Model: Bro 174 Soft
Length: 174
Category & Dimensions AM CARV POW:
[FONT=Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]125-99-114 32M Turning Radius
Listed as an all mountain, but for this Michigan Girl, its a powder ski
[/FONT]Binding: Marker Duke rahrrrrrrr!
1=Poor 2= Fair 3=Average 4=Very Good 5=Excellent
1 2 3 4 5
Short Turns
3
Medium Turns 5
Long Turns
5
Rebound
4
Stability
5
Forgiveness
4
Grip
5
Steeps
5
Crud
5
Powder 5
Ice
3.5
Overall Impression 4.5

Tested Length Felt:
Just Right
Ski Sidecut Felt:
Just Right
Ski Flex Felt:
A Tad stiff, but not to a point of being cumbersome

Best Described As:
Balanced & Burly

Notes:
Of all the skis I've purchased, the Bro was the one that intrigued me the most and yet was the one that took the most time for me to pull the trigger. The things that concerned me were stiffness, and versatility for my day to day skiing in Michigan, even though it was/is my intent to make this my primary travel East and West ski.
The chats I had with Pat, Chad and Ron brought a rest to my concerns.

Next question was Bindings. I had decided to put Jesters on these Bros because of the width of the binding, and its compliment to the width of the Bro's, however, after some tweeking and other stuff that enters a Gear Ho's mind, The Bro's were mounted with Dukes. (Review of the Dukes will follow an actual AT experience with them)
Whiteroom was especially helpful with binding information, and mounting for me, not to mention putting the tune on them that was recommended by Tryrone Shoelaces.

Maiden voyage on the Bros was on my 375 ft vert hills here in Michigan, which is fun and interesting on a 32M TR ski!!!
First impressions: Very good workmanship. Wow, they weren't kidding when they said this ski would handle hard pack, and feel like a freight train. I couldn't get the Grin off my face!!!!:D

Trip to the mountain, Abasin. I've skied Abasin on my Eos, Wave Spice and Blue House skis in the past, all of which were skied in different conditions, but none of them were quite as much fun as the Bros. We had some new snow, and fierce wind, enhanced by some phenomenal company.
Among the things that really struck me with these skis was the stability, and inspiration of confidence. I didn't hesitate on the cornice at Abasin, however, my technique could use some help.

Another thing that impressed me was the ability to make medium turns. Short turns are doable, though take more technique and effort, but medium and long radius turns came easily, with an edge to edge transition that is impressive for a ski with these dimensions.
Bumps: Bumps are something I have been improving on, though I've not mastered them by any means. However, I took the Bro's on Palli as well as a few other bump runs, and though the 99 waist is not ideal for bumps, I really enjoyed them, and would definitely take them in the bumps again.

The 174 Soft Bro has far more pluses than minuses, and now that you know how much I love it, let me share the minuses.

Minuses:
- I like the top sheets on Bklyn's better than mine. Reason, Mine look too nice and I was hoping to put a bunch of stickers on them. Bklyn has the plainer version which is screaming to be stickered up!!
- I was hoping that they would automatically make me look as good as Tyrone Shoelaces when I take the leap. Witness' say......Not so much


*I'm sure I forgot some details, so I'll report back later when I remember what I forgot.
 

Kriss240

Certified Ski Diva
This post was a while ago, but I am very curious to know more about the Bro. How did they fair in trees? Can you compare their stiffness to another ski, i.e. are they stiffer/softer than auras or gotamas?
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Stiffer than Auras, can't compare to Got's.
For me, they were fine in the trees, though I had to be on my toes.
The first day I skied them on Palli, the snow was soft and fun, I loved them in the bumps. The second time I took them on Palli, I struggled, but then I had some gremlins in my head.
Dang those gremlins :(
 

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Anybody ridden the 179 stiff Bros? We have a pair in the basement unmounted and I'm considering taking them over as my backcountry skis.
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
I believe that is what Bklyn is skiing. If she doesn't see this, you may want to pm her.
 

bklyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I believe that is what Bklyn is skiing. If she doesn't see this, you may want to pm her.

No, I have the 179 and 183 softs and had the 179 fat stiff (which I took back because they were awful). It's a toss up as to whether or not you'll like them for a variety of reasons.

Try them out, but if you don't like them post 'em up in tgr's gear swap because someone else will take them.
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
No, I have the 179 and 183 softs and had the 179 fat stiff (which I took back because they were awful). It's a toss up as to whether or not you'll like them for a variety of reasons.

Try them out, but if you don't like them post 'em up in tgr's gear swap because someone else will take them.
My Gear Geek head must be slipping!
I'm supposed to remember these things. :becky:
Thanks for the feedback. Somehow I knew you had some experience with them.
 

bklyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
My Gear Geek head must be slipping!
I'm supposed to remember these things. :becky:
Thanks for the feedback. Somehow I knew you had some experience with them.

The good thing is, you never have to remember. You can just ask me!
 

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
...and had the 179 fat stiff (which I took back because they were awful). It's a toss up as to whether or not you'll like them for a variety of reasons.

What were your gripes? I'm a little worried that these skis will need a heavier hand than I can provide. I'll mostly be using them for touring - powder most of the time, but variable off-piste conditions including corn, ice, and crust as well. I heard they're rock solid in the steeps, and super light which is a blessing for hiking.

Also, how does the running length feel on the 179's? I've skied my husband's 178 Januks and I was hoping they would feel similar. I noticed the tip and tail on the Bros have quite a bit of curvature that takes away from the actual contact length.

Also, these are second year 179's, not the newest design. I think I'll run a search on TGR for some reviews. Maybe I'll give Trackhead a call too, since he skied on these for years. :smile:
 

bklyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
What were your gripes? I'm a little worried that these skis will need a heavier hand than I can provide. I'll mostly be using them for touring - powder most of the time, but variable off-piste conditions including corn, ice, and crust as well. I heard they're rock solid in the steeps, and super light which is a blessing for hiking.

Also, how does the running length feel on the 179's? I've skied my husband's 178 Januks and I was hoping they would feel similar. I noticed the tip and tail on the Bros have quite a bit of curvature that takes away from the actual contact length.

Also, these are second year 179's, not the newest design. I think I'll run a search on TGR for some reviews. Maybe I'll give Trackhead a call too, since he skied on these for years. :smile:

Well, the fats are much wider. I don't think I can help you make a direct comparison. OTOH I really like the 'soft' flex, which I have taken out in every condition and been happy with. I have first year 179 softs (Quebec factory) and they are turned up more in the tails than newer versions since production moved to Reno. I have no experience on Januks, sorry. I grew up in the long ski tradition, so everything new feels 'short' to me.

I found them (the fat stiffs) to be unwieldy, hard to control, barely skiable i-beams with a bad flex pattern that was overly soft in the tip in comparison to the super stiff tail, lackluster torsional stiffness and suffering from a weird a catchy edgegrip.

I let bushwhacker take them out for a few runs @ snowbird and he gave them back to me in disgust. He repeated all my complaints about the ski (which let me know it wasn't just me) and suggested I take them back (which I did). Quality control was terrible last season for US based production, the AK made skis are much better and I am pleased with the replacement 183s that came from there. You might be in luck as I tested the fats from the 3rd year batch.
 

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks for the feedback, bklyn!

I read the extensive review thread on TGR for this exact ski, and I think I'm pretty convinced that they're going to rule for what I'll use them for. I think you're right about the inconsistency of the Bro's, B, and it seems like you really have to know the exact history of the exact pair of skis you're buying.

I got in touch with the guy that my husband bought them from and he said he LOVED the skis, but they were just a little too short. I'm looking forward to trying them out!
 

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Just a quick update...

Finally got out on my new set-up yesterday - 179 stiff Bros with Dynafit bindings. A few reactions...

This is the lightest touring set-up I have ever had BY FAR!! When I picked them up from being mounted, I was very pleased.

After grinning my way up the first climb of the year (the Dynafits are WAAAAY more efficient than my old Freerides), it was time to see how they skied. Can I tell you how much I love these skis already? It was so nice to be back on a stiffer wood-core ski and the Bros are nice and snappy. Lots of feedback in each turn, but still extremely stable. They ate powder for lunch, and also did pretty well in some more tracked-out areas. The turned-up tail really does a lot to give some forgiveness in turn transition in the powder. I'm really excited to get them out on a day I can really open em up.

Overall, I think these are going to fantastic touring skis that will handle a very wide range of conditions.
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Pics :noidea:
 

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Your wish is my command. :wink:

(Forgive the other random skis - I was too lazy to move them!)

Bros001.jpg


Bros002.jpg
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
No apologies for the group pic. That is a sweet set up. My skis are mounted up with dukes which are heavy beyotches!

Get any pics of the ski day?
 

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Check out the Utard thread in the skiing forum for a few pics.

I'm really interested to hear a review on the Duke. I still have yet to hear from anyone who's had an actual touring experience with them. How do they ski?
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
The Duke skis fine. I like the wide mount platform but I haven't used it as a touring set up yet.

Here's the deal:
I wanted and even ordered Jesters for the Bros. Then the ski shop explained that the 08 jesters were not in stock and they would have to charge me the 09 price, which was not much different than the 08 Dukes which were in stock. It came down to $$ more than anything.

The real cool thing is that I had never really considered touring much but have the bug to give it a whirl.

As stated in my OP in this review:
Next question was Bindings. I had decided to put Jesters on these Bros because of the width of the binding, and its compliment to the width of the Bro's, however, after some tweeking and other stuff that enters a Gear Ho's mind, The Bro's were mounted with Dukes. (Review of the Dukes will follow an actual AT experience with them)
Whiteroom was especially helpful with binding information, and mounting for me, not to mention putting the tune on them that was recommended by Tryrone Shoelaces.
I will get them out to tour and I will post an addition to the review.

Going to look at TR now.
 

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