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Rambling, hobbling num

num

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I just got back into Chi from my first non-midwestern ski trip, which effectively ended my season, leaving me hobbling and now, rambling about it.

So on Sunday after my first two runs of resort Utah skiing, I'm making my way to catch the divas at their lunch meetup and head to my lesson afterwards. Near the end of the run I fall, notice that the fall doesn't hurt so much on fluffy stuff, tumble forwards a few yards and come to a halt with a wet popping sound when my right ski (which didn't release, left one did) gets entrenched in the snow.

I do the beached whale thing for a minute, release my binding with my hands, make a few [failed] attempts at getting up, figuring out what directions I can and can't move in to plot my next attempt at standing. A man skis up to me and asks if I'm okay, I tell him I don't know, and him and his crew start gathering my stuff. After a bit more plotting and trial and error, victory is mine and I stand up. Phew. He graciously offers to carry my skis down if I think I can walk down, I find my wobble-hobble-sliding groove and thankfully accept. When I make it down I find him and his group standing with my stuff neatly put on the rack, they show me where my stuff is and wish me well. I can't even voice how thankful I am for them helping me out. My cell battery was dead and I probably would've just laid there until someone mentioned to patrol that some girl was down for the count in the middle of a run, and in all the time that I couldn't get up I was quite worried that someone wouldn't notice me early enough and hit me. Anyway, many thanks to the guy in the (I think) yellow and black jacket and his group! Or was the chick with them wearing that jacket? Either way, if you helped a beached whalesque skier with pigtails, she's quite grateful.

So I got a hold of my friend and got taken to the cabin I rented a mile down the road, get out of my ski stuff and call altagirl for an ortho recommendation (thanks again!). I threw a brace on, took some drugs and met up with the divas at Wendy's condo that evening. Great to meet you guys, wish we could've skied together!

My appointment with the ortho on Monday was for 1 pm and though the doctor was done with my by 1:45, it ended up being a long day. There were billing issues as the group who does the MRI in the same office is apparently separate from the doctors group, and didn't follow the billing arrangement I'd set up with the doctors group prior to my appointment, so it took work to get that together. The people working there were just great, but the office manager wasn't in that day so it made dealing with financial stuff difficult. Also, the girl doing the MRIs had gotten behind schedule, so mine didn't start until 5:30, and the radiologist wouldn't be able to read it until the next day, which was also the day I left town. Made for a bit of a scramble today, but between my efforts and theirs we pulled it off.

Results: acl tear (grade 3) minor lcl damage, some bone contusions and macrofractures.

Interesting tidbit: An ortho who worked at the practice I got checked out at now works in Chicago and was recommended for my surgery.

Encouraging fact: The doc who checked me out was sporting an arm injury from skiing as he examined me.

Guess I got what I deserved for trying to ski outside of the Midwest :laugh:
 

climber.girl1

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Oh Num! I'm SO sorry to hear this! When you mentioned Sunday that you'd injured your knee, I didn't realize it was this bad. Surgery is no fun at all, and neither is dealing with a doc, etc., in a place away from home. So glad Altagirl could recommend an ortho for you. :(

You all and your injuries are starting to make me nervous! Would you all please just get better for me? Please? :redface:

Anyway, I'm sending my best, strongest good karma healing thoughts your way, Num. I hope it helps!
 
Ah Num! I'm so so sorry. I'm glad you got to meet the Divas....but I'm so sorry you're hurt. Wow! You are ONE TOUGH DIVA!!!! I would have been crying like a baby!

Take care of yourself, and welcome to the Injured List! :hug:
 

ski diva

Administrator
Staff member
Thanks for the update, num, but SO SORRY to hear the diagnosis! You seemed so cool about the whole thing at the Diva get together, too -- walking fairly well, not in any evident agony. It really made me hope for the best. When's the surgery?

Despite all this, I am so glad I had the chance to finally meet you. Come to Diva week next year and we'll definitely ski together.

Here's wishing you a speedy, complete recovery. Please keep us posted.
 

snowgem

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I am so sorry about your injury - sounds like it was really difficult and you handled it like a trooper. And, you are a really good writer! Ironically, your description of the whole difficult incident is great! Was with you with every step of the way. Love the Chicago dr. synchronicity. Now for the difficult "time heals" - so you can be ready to ski outside of the Midwest next year and prove how skiing can transcend location!
 

ISki

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Num! I am so sorry to hear this.

I wish you a complete recovery. You'll get through this and be stronger and better than ever.

You are amazing, by the way. You got up and walked!!!! Wow! With strength like that, you are going to heal in no time.
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Bummer, In a big way.
Did you get to ski for more than a day out there?
 

Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Wow. You must've been on some good drugs when we saw you b/c we were convinced that your injury couldn't have been bad if you were up and walking!

Sorry that your first non-local trip went this way. Have a speedy recovery!
 

MaineSkiLady

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Poor num!

:eek: OH NO! :Cry:
Poor num, wish I could give you a big :hug:
Oh, the dreaded pop.....and the classic, infamous forward twisting fall....

I'm so sorry that you had to jump through all those medical hoops, adding insult to injury. If only I'd had a way to tell you to WAIT until you got home - nothing would have changed (although I presume you realized that skiing wouldn't be possible).

Here is an excellent reference source:
https://www.orthoassociates.com/ACL_Page.htm
Explains everything, in digestible terms.
This is the facility that rebuilt both my son's ACL's.

Read the graft choice section carefully.
Deep breath, deep breath. You will, in all likelihood, start ROM workouts immediately. Unless there are other complications, the knee has to be strengthened in other regards - and swelling reduced - prior to surgery.

The good news part of the story is:
1. You are young.
2. You are strong.
3. You will come back stronger than ever.

I wouldn't b-s this if I hadn't watched it happen right here, twice. My son's about your age. Definitely was w/first acl.

It's 6 months, 5 if you work hard, age and strength always factoring in. You WILL ski next season - presumably, things are now winding down in your region anyway.

Time to deal with this new deck of cards.
What can I do to help????
Any source of info requested, from the link just provided to a brilliant You Tube clip of an actual surgery (which you may or may not want to watch, but it is beyond fascinating), I'll surely try to provide.

Education and knowledge are power.

FYI, here are my son's dates:
ACL #1: Injury 2/24/06
Surgery 4/20/06
Full release, early Oct 06

ACL #2: Injury 12/16/06
Surgery 1/19/07
Full release early July 07

PM anytime for sources, info, input or just a giant hug/shoulder to cry on. I'll be your virtual mom :love:
Very experienced (and actually quite in need of doing so!).
MSL
 

alta_gal83

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
OMG Num! I can't believe you tore your ACL! You were such a trooper Sunday night -- none of us imagined your injury being that severe. Wow! I hope the injury doesn't put a sour taste in your mouth for Utah because next year, when you're back to speed, you've got to come back for a rematch.

I hope your surgery goes well and keep us posted on your recovery. You'll be rip-roaring ready to go for next season.
 

num

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks, guys. Question for those of you who've gotten surgery for torn acls: how long was it post op before you were back out there? Be it skiing, or another sport, and if another one, what'd you start back up with?

Also, what did you do for exercise pre op? So far I've just done one legged pushups, crunches, free weights (arms only) and pull ups with a bench near the bar for quick stops.
 

MaineSkiLady

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Actually, a grade 3 ACL doesn't necessarily have to hurt or swell - depends on other factors. My son actually rode (switch) to the base with his first. Not the 2nd, as he had a meniscus tear as well - those DO swell big and fast. It's actually a good sign for num that she maintained ambulation and movement. On to the pre-surgical rehab portion of the show.....and we're here for you. Post away.
 

MaineSkiLady

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks, guys. Question for those of you who've gotten surgery for torn acls: how long was it post op before you were back out there? Be it skiing, or another sport, and if another one, what'd you start back up with?

Also, what did you do for exercise pre op? So far I've just done one legged pushups, crunches, free weights (arms only) and pull ups with a bench near the bar for quick stops.

Pre-op: spinning
Post-op time line: 6 months max, 5 months if you work hard. You'll be tested out for strength, etc. (performance testing) before medical release.

Next season's in the bag for you, no problem.
You'll have complete post-surgical ambulation (ie on your feet w/o immobilizer) within 2 months. First month is the toughest. It's all about pt/rehab.
 

Ealexandra212

Diva in Training
Thanks, guys. Question for those of you who've gotten surgery for torn acls: how long was it post op before you were back out there? Be it skiing, or another sport, and if another one, what'd you start back up with?

Also, what did you do for exercise pre op? So far I've just done one legged pushups, crunches, free weights (arms only) and pull ups with a bench near the bar for quick stops.

I tore my ACL on 1/2/07 and had surgery 1/4/07. I was back to bike riding to work by late-April and started running again in May. It took me a few months to be able to run the distance I used to, but I'm now faster than I was before. By September I was hiking 10 miles in a day over difficult terrain. Oddly, the little things were much harder. One of the most difficult things for me to get back was the ability to squat down.

I didn't have much time pre-op, but I did go to a physical therapist who gave me quad strengthening exercises to do before the surgery as well as exercises for ROM. Post op, I started physical therapy immediately -- really! It didn't leave much time for other exercise, but I did do as much of my normal Pilates "routine" as I could as soon as I could and it was a huge help. I found that having strong core muscles really helped me get my quads going after surgery, which is something your doctor and PT will push. It also helped enormously with balance and being able to get around on crutches. (I wasn't allowed to put ANY weight on my injured leg for 6 weeks. NOT FUN).

Feel better.
 

Quiver Queen

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Maryam--
When you have a fall, hear a pop, and are walking later in the day usually it's a sprain, but you, unfortunately, ended up the the less usual result of an ACL tear and for that we're all so sorry. As the posts above indicate clearly, all is not lost. You will have a tough period of recovery, but you will recover fully provided you do everything you're told to do and work real hard. From the brief glimpse of your personality I got at the Diva gathering, you have the calm drive to come thru this in fine form. Best to you of thoughts and prayers, and if you need anything you know you can rely on us.
--Dawn
 

MaineSkiLady

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
There's going to be quite a variation in surgical time lines and whether weight-bearing is recommended post-surgery - depends on orthopedist/physical therapy/other affected knee components.

Even with a meniscus tear repair, my son's 2nd ACL rehab went much faster than first - he was scared to bear weight post-surgery on #1, was allowed. 2nd time around, he did bear weight, within 2 hours of the surgery, as prescribed. I couldn't believe the difference in total recovery speed, even though #2 had more repair issues.

Lots of variables are at play here. Surgeon will have the last word in this case. num, keep us informed so we can help however possible.
 

MaineSkiLady

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Also, did you watch the video from link I pm'd? That was 7 months after surgery :eek: - with full medical blessing!
 

num

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Thanks for the link MSL. I did check it out, and it was great. Seven months after surgery? Wow! You weren't kidding about getting right back out there after working hard on rehab.

However, I must admit that the related video listed on the side, his long burp, really stole the show. Great form :laughter:
 

MaineSkiLady

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Men....

Thanks for the link MSL. I did check it out, and it was great. Seven months after surgery? Wow! You weren't kidding about getting right back out there after working hard on rehab.

However, I must admit that the related video listed on the side, his long burp, really stole the show. Great form :laughter:

Oh my ----:redface: - Do you have any idea how LONG I have BEGGED him to get that video removed??!! :ROTF: The really strange aspect is that he actually learned this from his FATHER -MY DH, a chronic one if I ever met one. Men....:rolleyes: .....

However, yes, the REAL video is a great demonstration of what can happen with the right attitude and work ethic - and NO, it will NOT pre-empt all other aspects of your life, I promise. My son took a sales job locally while rehabbing #2, went to sales and marketing conferences, learned a lot. Got his personal fitness training certification online with acl #1. (Couldn't do cpr training for awhile, though, no kneeling with patellar tendon graft - he had to let his expire and do it all over again, no biggie)

HUGE attitude component involved with rehab. I hope seeing this is giving you some hope. It's so hard in those initial first few days post-injury. Totally depressing. Lean on us, we'll try to help.
 

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