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Please Help! Volkl Luna or K2 True Luv????

indyjones

Diva in Training
Hi everyone! I was SO happy to have found your website! LOVE you guys! I'm a Utah skiier...have been skiing since I was young back in Michigan, but moved out West years ago. I'd say I'm an intermediate skiier. I used to be advanced, but had a knee injury that set me back. Last season I skiied blues and easy black diamonds. I'm trying to gain my confidence back. I'd like to find a ski that comes around quickly. The skis I own now are older Elan Reactors (which I love) that are 168's and Salomon Xscreams that are 169's that I don't like because they feel like they have lead weights in them and seem sluggish to me. I'm 5'5 about 125 pounds. I mostly like carving fast on the groomed runs -- both quick short turns and sweeping turns...I sometimes ski powder too and easy moguls. I want a ski like my Elans that responds when you get in a rhythm cruising down a groomed run. I've never owned a K2 or Volkl and am having a hard time trying to figure out which would suit me better without being able to demo them. I've read through a lot of the older posts trying to find the differences between K2 and Volkl, but I'm still up in the air. My local ski shop in Utah is having a big sale on the 07/08 Volkl Attiva Luna and 07/08 K2 True Luv... The sale is only 3 days so I won't have a chance to demo either ski. I've always wanted to try a K2 ski as some of my friends absolutely love their K2 skis so I set out thinking I'd buy the K2. However, the sales people told me the Volkl would hold a better edge and was more of an aggressive ski that would take me further. There isn't much ice out here, but it's nice to have a good edge grip on the hard pack. I read glowing reviews of the Volkl Luna on Skipressworld.com They said the Volkl was a much stiffer ski and that you have to work harder and ski aggressively. They said the K2 however was soft and forgiving and more "fun" and would come around quicker. One sales person raved about the Volkl and pushed me that way, and the other loved the K2 and thought that was the best ski. I've read that K2's are "damper" and that Volkl's are more responsive and lively. Can you explain this in different terms for me? What are the advantages and disadvantages of a more lively, responsive ski?? Will it throw you on your face if you make a wrong move? Why are K2's considered "fun"? What are the advantages and disadvantages of a responsive vs. damp ski? My boyfriend is pushing me toward the Volkls as he seems to think a stiffer ski is the sign of a stronger more racing type of ski and more of a badge of honor. I'd be so grateful for advice too from anyone who owns the Volkl Luna or the K2 True Luv and how much they like them and what they feel their limits are. Will the True Luv still hold up on easy blacks and in some powder or is it a limited ski? Thank you so much...I need to make a decision quickly between these two before my size is gone. I'd like to find a ski that will help me improve and bring me back towards becoming advanced. If there is another type of ski you guys would recommend apart from these two I would be open to that as well. Thank you! :ski2:
 

num

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
If demos are an option, I say that's the way to go.

That being said, between the two, my instinct is the Luna for you. I feel that they'll go farther with you as your confidence comes back.

As for damp vs lively, it's a personal preference. A damper ski feels smoother, but offers less energy, feedback or "pop". For me, too damp a ski tends to feel dead. Demoing helps with this too, I think when you try a bunch of brands and models next to each other you really feel the differences and are able to get an idea of what you like.

I'll leave the rest to the gear expert divas, who are sure to chime in soon.
 

indyjones

Diva in Training
Thanks!

Thanks for your reply! Unfortunately we haven't been getting any snow out here in Utah and so most of the resorts aren't even open yet so I won't have a chance to demo. The sale is ending in 3 days so I'll just have to choose one and go with it. That's great advice and I'm sure if I had the chance to demo them both I'd discover my preference...but this sale is such an incredible deal that I don't want to wait for the resorts to open to find a demo, and with such great prices, I'm going to need to decide fast before they're gone. As much advice and info as I can get will mean a lot because I won't have a chance to try them out before choosing. Does anyone have either of these two skis? Which ski is more popular and well-received? Should I be looking at the One Luv instead of the True Luv? Thanks again for any help!!!
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I haven't skied either, but maybe I can help with some of the terms....

A damp ski (K2) is like driving a Cadillac. It's heavy so it'll smooth out the rough stuff and just glide along. It would be considered "more fun" becuase it is more forgiving and relaxed and it'll be happy to just motor around at most any speed. You'll also be able to make mistakes without any fear of punishment. In general, it will also have a speed limit and may lack some room for growth.

A lively ski (Volkl) is more like driving a Porsche. It's responsive and quick, and you'll feel most of the "bumps in the road". It will reward good technique with amazing performance and will give you plenty of room to grow. In exchange for this, though, it will search for speed anywhere it can be found and you may find it less tolerant (but not completely intolerant) of large mistakes.

Does that make sense???

Oh, and ignore the race ski/badge of honor thing (guys, ugh :rolleyes:). Getting "too much" ski at this point could hinder your growth by instilling defensive, rather than offensive movements into your technique. However, it doesn't sound like either of these skis would be too much for you at your current level. Without the chance to demo, just pick 1 of the 2 based on your own preference for dampness/liveliness (you'll find lovers of both here). Besides, you're not married to them! If you get 1 and it doesn't put a HUGE smile on your face, sell it and do some demoing then get something else!
 

Robyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
VG's analogies are great ones here! Given your description of why you don't like your X-Screams I'd say go with the Volkl. I don't like the the X-screams either and I really didn't like the K2s I skied (much to my surprise). Additionally, the Tru love is really a low intermediate ski and since you'd like to progress you are boxing yourself in there. The One Luv would be a better option if you'd rather have a Caddy than a Porsche.
 

Sheena

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I really can't add anything, but I wanted to say welcome to a fellow Utahn!
 

Toucan

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I bought a pair of Lunas last season. Only got one day on them before the season ended, so take this with a grain or 2 of salt.

Anywho, before I got the Lunas I skied K2s, but not the women's stuff; I have a pair of Blackhawks, which are a cut below the Apaches I think (I'm so NOT a gear nut). Loved my K2s just because I did--not much to compare them to, though I did have a hard time w/them in the moguls but I suck in the moguls so I can't really blame the ski!

The Lunas just floored me. SO quick! DH saw huge changes -- for the better--in my skiing after just 2-3 runs. I'd gotten into some bad habits on the K2s (yes, they ARE forgiving). The Lunas require less steering, easier on short-radius turns, and well, I loved 'em--can't wait to haul 'em out and get some mileage on them.

Have fun on whatever you buy!
 

lucine

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I would like either of them but.....
what is the waist? if you are in utah, you will need something for powder as well, so maybe since you do not know, you should base it on dimensions.
The true Luv is a forgiving ski but it is not really a low intermediate. There are plenty of advanced skiers on this ski.
Can you get a deal on the Lotta? that is more advanced and whole mountain.
One love is all mt. with a front side bent.
True luv is all mt. and smoother.
I do not know the Luna but I have the Fuego, (frontside turny ski)
Enjoy. This kind of problem is FUN!
 

indyjones

Diva in Training
Thank you!!!

Thanks everyone! Volklgirl, you helped me understand the terms that keep getting thrown out in response to both these skis and made it something I can envision better and get a feel for...thank you! The porsche/cadillac comparison was awesome! Loved it! Do people actually go to the car lot and choose the caddy over the porsche??! :wink: You had a lot of great points and insight about choosing a ski at the right level too. I have one last question... The Volkl's are much stiffer and the K2's are softer. What are the advantages/disadvantages of a stiff ski vs. a soft ski? Some people seem to love a soft ski, some stiffer, but how do both traits affect the skis performance? It seems that even really advanced skiiers sometimes prefer a softer ski. I really wish I'd tried to demo some skis last season and it goes to show how valuable demoing is, even if you're not in the market at the time to buy, just to keep finding out as much as you can about yourself and what you really like in a ski's characteristics.

Thanks Robyn! I should have gotten rid of those X-screams a long time ago but I kept trying to like them! I was hoping someone might have had those X-screams and could relate them to K2 or Volkl because I really hated those suckers and wasn't sure which damp or lively category they'd be thrown into...except maybe the category of dead weight.

Hi Sheena, LOVE your photo! Here's hopin some snow's finally comin our way! :snow:

Hi Toucan! It really helps to get such a glowing review of those Luna's and hear how much you liked them! Thanks for sharing your experience with them.

Lucine, the waist on the Luna is 72mm... the exact same as the waist on the True Luv! The sidecut is 117_72_103 on the Luna and 119_72_103 on the True Luv. The Luna weighs a little bit less than the True Luv. Do you think they would do alright in powder? I can't get a deal on the Lotta Luv right now. Do you prefer your Volkl's or K2's? Thanks!

Anyone else considering these two skis might be interested in the following reviews I found... Ski Press gave the Volkl Luna a glowing review after it was tested and scored it an 87.8 out of 100. Here's what they said:

"Yet another astonishing ski from Völkl. This lively women-specific ski rides high and dry. Said one tester: “It’s as if you’re skiing on air!” It’s got a light, bright feel on snow — soft and super-easy to turn. And energetic! This ski’s as springy as a trampoline. All you’ll need now are wings. Still… not to worry — you won’t fly away on this Völkl. Its incredible holding power on snow keeps this baby firmly grounded."

Ski Press testers gave the K2 True Luv an 83.09 and said this about it:

"K2’s True Luv has all the attributes of a competent intermediate, woman-specific ski. It’s easy to turn. It holds an edge with little effort. It’s neither pushy nor erratic. Its pace is even, its mood smooth, its demeanour easygoing and reliable. It’s a friendly face on foreign terrain. Best of all, K2’s True Luv produces even-tempered, scare-free results in all shapes of arcs."
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Here's the general breakdown on stiff vs soft skis (of course, there are always exceptions, and it really comes down to personal taste):

Buy softer if:
  1. You prefer slower speeds
  2. You prefer softer snow
  3. You're a light weight
  4. You only get out a few days a year
  5. You don't want to have to work for turns
  6. The thought of a race course freaks you out

Buy stiffer if:
  1. You like hard snow groomer-zoomers
  2. You LOVE speed
  3. You plan to progress quickly
  4. You're a heavy weight
  5. You like to "work" the ski
  6. Jumping into the Nastar course sounds like something worth trying (just for fun:wink:)

If you go softer, think about going a little longer for added stability and room for growth. If you go stiffer, shorter may be the answer for added maneuverability and forgiveness.

Are you totally confused yet :wink: :D???
 

lucine

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Do you prefer your Volkl's or K2's? Thanks!

I love them both and use them for different reasons. The volkl I have to ski vat all times or they ski me. no rest on my fuegos- NOT Lunas my K2's are not women specific. and they can be an easy day or I can push em hard. they are just different
So no help with that.
sorry
 

Swamp Dog

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
A damp ski (K2) is like driving a Cadillac. It's heavy so it'll smooth out the rough stuff and just glide along. It would be considered "more fun" becuase it is more forgiving and relaxed and it'll be happy to just motor around at most any speed. You'll also be able to make mistakes without any fear of punishment. In general, it will also have a speed limit and may lack some room for growth.

A lively ski (Volkl) is more like driving a Porsche. It's responsive and quick, and you'll feel most of the "bumps in the road". It will reward good technique with amazing performance and will give you plenty of room to grow. In exchange for this, though, it will search for speed anywhere it can be found and you may find it less tolerant (but not completely intolerant) of large mistakes.

hi IJ!

this is a huge help to me too.

So I'd like to throw the Elan Wave Magic into your choice of skis. I just bought this ski a few months ago and have taken it out for a few days now. Based on VG's descriptions, I'd say it handles like a Porsche, at least in comparison to my Atomics, which are very Cadillac like.

I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as a lot of the folks here, but thought I'd throw that out there since you did say that you've skied Elans before.

and welcome to theSkiDiva!

Ellen
 

indyjones

Diva in Training
Thanks Volklgirl!! You're awesome! :cool: I think I'll go with the stiff skis since I'm a Nastar Downhill Racer. :D Just kidding. I used to do the Nastar races when I was a kid at Cannonsburg and Bittersweet. One time at Cannonsburg the whole course was a ice sheet. Ahh...those were the days. I do the courses out here in Utah sometimes for fun. They have cool classes out here and they've got a swimming pool at the end of a ski ramp in case you want to try to fly off that ramp and try out some aerials. The pool's all ready for a cushiony painless landing unless you belly flop or overshoot the pool. :injured: Anyhoo, thanks again for all the advice! It's really helped a lot and I feel so much better now deciding! Luckily since there are only two skis on sale I don't have more choices or it might be impossible to choose. They make it a lot harder on you in the shop as though you have to decide instantly right then and there whether you are now officially K2 or Volkl for life and the countdown has begun...5-4-3-2-1----what's it gonna be already??!
 

indyjones

Diva in Training
Hi Ellen! Thanks for the recommendation! I have thought about those Elan Wave Magics and it's great to hear positive things about them. I really love my old Elan's and have been really tempted to go with another one. They seem to have a really big sweet spot and I just get into a really nice rhythm with them and they have a nice light feel. I'm not quite sure what it really is about them that I like so much. I will definitely think about those Elans. My local ski shop only had the Black Magics and they were a great looking ski, but didn't have the price reduced on them at all. :(
 

indyjones

Diva in Training
Any more Luna or True Luv owners out there?

Does anyone else own (or has demoed) either the Volkl Luna or K2 True Luv that could tell me about their potential? Do they both handle powder alright? How well do they perform on blues and blacks?

Thank you!
 

ski now work later

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
I own the Volkl precurser to the Luna, the Attiva AC2. It's a great intermediate ski, good on ice, wide enough to deal with some crud and mixed conditions, not a speed demon, reliable, and a fun ski. One of my daughters has the True Luv and likes it a lot, though she skis infrequently and has only skied on K2 skis so she doesn't have any other ski to compare it to. The Luna and The True Luv are similar skis but the Luna is probably a better ski and would last you longer in terms of ability.
 

freckles

Certified Ski Diva
Hey there
I'm new here and also looking at the K2's... My son is "stealing" my old K2's that are about ten years old and not specifically women's skis. I'm in the lucky position of getting new gear and it scares the crap out of me.
Has anyone considered the Fischer Breeze or Vapor (Vision?) ? The K2 and the Fischers were the ones our local ski guy recommended.

Thanks in advance!!!
(love the site, btw!)
 

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