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Nordica Olympia Victory

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Surprise ski day on Thursday -- DH came home Wednesday evening and said, hey, it's going to snow, I'm off tomorrow, we're going! To go with this, we had coupons for a free demo from one of the ski shops in town.

I'm interested in an all mountain ski -- something that will like to be off trail more than my True Luvs do. The tech in the shop suggested the Victory, in a 154. I've been reading good things about them all season, so I'd put them on my list.

DH brought something up too -- also Nordica, I think it said Hot Dog on it. Kinda orange and black and white.

I'm 5'4, about 160, and feel pretty confident on groomed runs. I'm developing my powder/ungroomed snow skills this year. The new snow was wet and heavy. When we left home, three inches had already fallen, and it was still coming down. Visibility was very bad -- the cloud on the mountain was thick enough to have both of us very disoriented -- couldn't tell where we were, or even whether or not we were moving at times!

I knew a quarter of the way down my first run that this is NOT my ski.

This was pretty disappointing after hearing/reading that it's an awesome ski (Tahoe Janine, it was SO relieving to spot your comments in a Fuego thread). I could NOT turn it, or stop it. I was pretty good at falling down -- I've never scattered equipment all over the run like I did on these skis (they sealed their fate with that one).

Still, this snow is NOT my favorite kind to ski, and so I thought I'd give them another chance or three. Eventually, we got down the hill, those skis and I, right side up, and I managed to link a couple of turns now and then. DH came back from the back side, which is higher and even more socked in than the front side. He had suggested I join him when he first caught up with me that first run. I told him no WAY I was going up there, where I couldn't see, considering I was skiing like I'd never been on skis.

(coincidentally, just the day before had been my "ski birthday" -- March 11, 2001 was my first time on skis!)

I was pretty much ready to take them back to the car and get my K2s right then, but thought about it a bit: when I tried the Lotta Luvs in January, I needed a couple of runs to get used to them, but then I really enjoyed them. So I gave it a few more runs. DH came back to the front side and found me picking my way down an easy blue run, my fourth of the day. We decided to go back to the car and get our skis -- to see if its the snow, or the skis.

First run on ours, he's pleased as punch. I'm not so happy, but I didn't really expect to be. My True Luvs don't like this snow. They're really delighted with "pretty" snow, but don't take me through heavy, wet, lumpy stuff easily. They're not very happy about deep fluffy stuff, though they'll tolerate it if I insist. I knew that. That's why I'm shopping. On the other hand, at least I knew what to expect from them, and could cope better than on the evil Nordicas.

Once back on my skis, I knew exactly why the Nordica is not for me: it behaved even more temperamentally on this muck than my own skis, only they were far less controllable.

I can say one positive thing about them: I don't know what they were, exactly, but the Marker bindings that were on them were nicer than my own Marker bindings (I don't know exactly what they are either!)

A couple of runs on my skis, and I was ready to go home. I'd been tossed around enough that body parts were starting to complain about the jostling, and told DH that I was ready to go home any time. (I did have to work in the evening) He said, well, okay, but he wanted to do a few more runs, so I should go over to the bunny hill and putter until he came by. Next thing I knew, like just a few seconds later, there he was, splattered on the side of the hill! I was a bit concerned, since he wasn't making much effort to get up at first, but he was okay, just drenched.

Now the strange thing -- on the way home, I told him, I'd just had this thought, how much fun it had been to come up skiing. Not that I was really enjoying the skiing while I was doing it! I guess even a bad day skiing is a good day?

Kano
 

TahoeJanine

Certified Ski Diva
Yup. I wasn't quite as miserable as you were on the Nordica Olympia Victory, but I didn't have much fun. Here's what happened. It was on a fresh powder day, and I had heard that the Victory could plow through anything. My experience was that it plowed through choppy piles really well. It held a medium and long line well on semi-steep runs; and while I could do short turns, it took a lot of work, and my hip tendons got tired. Then I took them into thick (~20 inches) of powder on the side of runs, expecting this great all-mountain powder experience, and instead the skis plowed deep into the snow, and I fell. Several times. And it takes me forever to get back into my bindings when I'm in deep powder. (Caveat for people considering these skis: I have little experience in deep powder or offtrail skiing. But I haven't come out of my skis in years.)

The thing I LOVED about the Olympia Victory was going straight and fast, which I only do at the end of steep runs when no one is below me. It was like riding in a limousine with great shock absorbers--smooooth. I get some of that smooth, stable ride at speed on the Roxy Joyriders. I haven't been able to try the Joyriders in powder yet, but it's SNOWING in California now:yahoo: , so I will very soon.

TahoeJanine
 

IntheClouds

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
You will love the Joyriders in powder. They float & speed right through it. Unfortunately as it continued to snow heavily the day I tried them, I never got to test there edge or turns on any pack.
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
My experience was that it plowed through choppy piles really well.

I'd have to agree with that! Nothing seemed to stop them! (one time, they didn't even want to stop at the stop line at the chair!)


And it takes me forever to get back into my bindings when I'm in deep powder.

Oooh! Don't you just HATE that? I wasn't even in deep stuff, just very slick wet stuff and couldn't get the ski to stay put for getting back into them. An instructor recommended using the ski to mash the snow before trying to step back in -- it didn't help on "my" snow, darn it! DH happened to be around, and he sat on them to keep them in one place...



The thing I LOVED about the Olympia Victory was going straight and fast, which I only do at the end of steep runs when no one is below me.
TahoeJanine

They did like straight and fast -- DH wondered if I was going to be skiing slow (cuz if I was not going to go fast, he wasn't waiting around for me), and I said no, they weren't going to let me, even on the flats!

I've got nothing against fast, but I sure want to know I can stop or turn if I need/want to!

I think, if I weren't so dissatisfied with the ride I had in the thick mucky snow, I'd give these a chance on fresh, dry-ish, groomed snow, but I'm looking for something to improve my ride on conditions that aren't "pretty" -- well, yeah, powder is pretty, but that's a different kind of pretty!


One question has come to mind in the last couple of days: OUR skis weren't "fresh" -- they have old wax and the edges are probably in need of attention again. Mine were "stickier" than the Victories. Could a less fresh Victory have given me a happier experience, maybe?

Kano
 

greekpeakskier

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
i think you raise an interesting question -- was does fresh have to do with it -- if i am trying to develop a feel for different kinds of skis, how much will i be thrown off by whether the shop waxes the demo.

i don't find my victorys to be the easiest to get up and keep up on an edge and they did really take some getting used to, but i think they are very stable.

were these the 2008 or 2009 Victory? as someone else pointed out, they are really changing the sidecut for 2009.
 

Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
were these the 2008 or 2009 Victory? as someone else pointed out, they are really changing the sidecut for 2009.

My understanding is that they're going up from 74mm to 78mm in the waist. Not sure to what extent the tips/tails are changing.

I found, however, that for my skiing style (whatever that is) the Victory have performed well in all conditions except for mushy mashed potatoes. I skied mostly spring-like conditions this entire season and found that I floated (read: bounced around) way too easily on top of mushy mounds of pushed around snow, rather than cut/plowed through them, which made it tougher for me to carve in and check my speed.
 

perma-grin

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Kano and TahoeJane your description of your experience on the Victory's are leading me to beleive that the flex is less than ideal for you. If you aren't flexing a ski properly it often feels like it's getting away from you and feels difficult to initiate on. Although a ski that is overly sharp may feel that way also:wink: . You may also have a smidge of a rotational entrance into your turn, instead of tipping the initation phase. It sounds like the ski isn't getting on edge until the shaping phase of your turn and by then it's getting away from you. In other words you are not cleanly skiing on 2 edges-4 edges-2-edges yet. A softer ski with a little less taper angle will forgive you for that more often. I always tell students it is better if you can overwhelm the ski, than if the ski is overwhelming you! It is one thing to tip it up on edge and let it rail ( even though this can be very fast and fun! ) But to ski well you have to be able to bend the ski also. Sometimes a little softer flexing ski can be more fun at this stage in your skill developement. As for the changes to the Victory for next year, that would be 124-78-108. I think you would like next years mint 119-72-102, softer core similar taper angle but more forgiving tail. The less width in the tail when compared with the waist and shovel the more room you have to scrub off speed by feathering the finish of your turn (reducing your edge angle). Remember anyone can rail a ski up on edge, but not everyone can carve with it. You need to add pressure control and centered stance. Plus time to learn how to create a higher edge angle while flexing the ski, or in some cases, properly flexing the ski while creating a lower edge angle. Balance , edging, rotary and pressure control, you need to learn to blend all four skills in order to advance your skier ability. Edging and rotary tend to be learned first with balance and pressure control developing along the way, unless of course you are being pushed constantly. Through clinics, the race couse or in the bumps and crud. (Nothing can introduce us to skills we need to improve on faster.) The more blended your skills the more fun certian skis and runs, become for you to ski on. It's all good. :D remember skis are designed with an skiers ability in mind. Keep demoing you will find that perfect next ski to give you perma-grin!:D Kano sorry I couldn't hook up with you while I was home. Three weeks just flew by, (too much family stuff.) I hadn't flown into Boise in a long time, (I go into Hailey ,or Salt lk. and pluck at the Bird.) When did Mtn home get so big? Things have taken off along 20 in the last 14 years! My son got reaquainted with Jack in the box, he's in love!:love:
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
greekspeak -- they were the '08 model (well used, too -- I wouldn't have paid what they are asking for them, even if I had liked them!)

permagrin -- I agree that they felt mighty stiff, but dont' think that the "mint" is what I'm looking for even if I would like it a whole lot better! I'm pretty sure I'm looking for something wider to complement my True Luvs. They've turned into fun groomer skis this year, and I want something that will have more fun on the rest of the mountain than my True Luvs do. So far, I've tried Lotta Luvs and the Victory. The Lotta was a lotta fun once I got a feel for them.

Kano
 

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