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Lange Shadow Line

BlizzardBabe

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
So Lange has a new line that sounds amazing on paper and on video. I've been skiing the RX110 for about 5-6 years and really do (hate to admit it) need new boots. Today I stopped by a local ski shop to take a look. I had a nice chat w/the bootfitter but, honestly, I don't understand the physics/mechanics involved. I've seen some descriptions online, but if anyone has a more simplistic explanation for how the new system works I'd love to hear it. I'm a dumb lawyer not a mathematician, physicist or sport biomechanics specialist. Trying to grasp the concept of power transfer is escaping me. :(
 

VickiK

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I got my current boots, Dalbello Chakra 95, in 2018. 5 yrs, maybe it's time to update too.
 

snoWYmonkey

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Can't wait to read and see reviews. Neither the website nor the video above seem to do a great job describing the new tech in the boots. I am a lange skier through and through, with many other pairs bought and discarded (sold) almost instantly. I hope this is a solid move forward with good durability.
 

santacruz skier

Angel Diva
I'm interested as well. My Dalbello Asolo 95's fit quite well but are nearly impossible to get on. First time in 45+ years skiing that I need boot horn to put on.
 

BlizzardBabe

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Just bought them. Wow, what a different feel in the shop. Same foot-hugging, secure fit I expect from Lange, but much more "comfy." I really don't know how to explain it. Now just waiting for the temperatures to DROP!!
 

snoWYmonkey

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Just bought them. Wow, what a different feel in the shop. Same foot-hugging, secure fit I expect from Lange, but much more "comfy." I really don't know how to explain it. Now just waiting for the temperatures to DROP!!
Your pre on-snow report is intriguing. I have to tweak my LV RX with extra padding to get the snug fit I need even with intuitions. The concept has me very interested, but not if they are too comfy....
Keep us posted. No real snow to speak of where I am yet.
 

BlizzardBabe

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
ON SNOW UPDATE:
First day of the season
Volkl Blaze 86 (third season)
Lange Shadow 115 LV w/upgraded (not custom) footbeds and the new model Hotronic boot heaters.

My impressions/explanations will not be precise from a technical standpoint, but I will give it a try.

The boots are extremely comfortable (relative to other Lange boots, my RX110 LV specifically).

From the very first turn - and I mean gliding from the parking area to the lift - I noticed a fairly profound difference. The boots engage with the ski with much less movement on my part. This took (will take) some getting used to. The transfer of power from "me-to-ski" was so much quicker than what I'm used to that I repeatedly found myself in the back seat. I had to focus on keeping forward and train my brain to expect a more immediate response in initiating turns. In addition, the angle of the boot is more vertical, I think. I'm able to ski in a much more upright position which seemed to take some stress off my back. With the quick initiation there was also less stress on my knees and I didn't have to flex the boot as much as I did the RX to get the same turn radius.

I had to do some buckle adjusting to achieve that whole-foot-hugging feeling that I had with the RX. I think there is more room in the toe box than what I'm used to. Unlike my RX, the Shadow is so comfortable, I had a hard time gleaning when I had the correct buckle adjustment. On the flat and on the chair the boots felt snug and supportive. This changed once I started down an appreciable pitch. The right boot felt, not "loose," but roomier than I wanted. I had to crank the foot buckles down to the tightest notch before I got the feel I was looking for - particularly the arch buckle. I haven't done a full adjustment yet; I believe I'll be able to do some more tweaking so I'm not dependent on that last notch.

I hope to get back out again on Saturday for day 3. Now that I know what to expect I'm curious to see how I feel. I had half a mind to throw on my old boots for the sake of comparison, but I'm not sure that is a great idea. I don't want to confuse the brain. :smile:

More to follow . . .
 
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MissySki

Angel Diva
Interesting!

When you say you kept ending up in the backseat.. do you attribute that to a more upright position to start, or did you feel the responsiveness was kicking you back?
 

BlizzardBabe

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
At first I attributed it solely to the responsiveness. Then I started playing w/fore/aft position and realized that my natural position in the boots is more upright. It could be a combination, but I still think it has more to do with the responsiveness. It also could be that my old boots were so packed out that my positioning wasn't optimum - and I just got used to it. I'll do some additional evaluating this weekend.
 

snoWYmonkey

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Uh oh. Your report is making me sad. I swim in the LV RX 110 and hate plug boots so was hoping this would be the next natural evilolution in my Lange boot marriage. Bummer.
 

pamdl

Certified Ski Diva
Jackson Hogan recently covered the Lange Shadow on Real Skiers in this piece:

Advice for Silver Skiers & Other Tidbits
by Jackson Hogen | Nov 21, 2023

and in an interview with Jim Schaffner, which was pretty interesting. Here's a brief preview:

My guest on Realskiers with Jackson Hogen on Thanksgiving Day will be Jim Schaffner, the erstwhile owner of Start Haus (in Truckee, California), a renowned bootfitter and veteran instructor at Masterfit University. In addition to consulting with just about every boot brand in Christendom over his long career, he’s skied every boot of consequence for the last quarter-century. When Schaffner speaks, boot product managers listen.
So when Schaffner shared my assessment that the new Lange Shadow represents the most significant improvement in two-piece, overlap shell design since the invention of the plastic ski boot, you can be sure it’s the real deal. I won’t get into all the details about how the new Shadow pulls off this feat as that’s the primary subject of the podcast that follows Schaffner’s, with Thor Verdonk, who led the design team that created the Shadow. (The Verdonk interview is scheduled to post on November 30.)
But I will tell you why I think Shadow is so important, particularly for anyone old enough to have an AARP card. The net effect of the various changes embodied in the Shadow is its automatic amplification of the skier’s natural flexing action. Simply put, it takes less effort to translate the skier’s energy to the ski. The Shadow also augments the boot’s inherent rebound when pressure is released. This under-appreciated quality is what gives a new boot its youthful vitality, which is gradually drained with age. The Shadow design helps to retain this essential quality, even if its user’s energy reserves are likewise incrementally waning.

I think the podcast is accessible to all, without a paywall. It was entertaining and made me really interested in trying the Shadow when I replace my current Lange boots
 

skihub

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
At first I attributed it solely to the responsiveness. Then I started playing w/fore/aft position and realized that my natural position in the boots is more upright. It could be a combination, but I still think it has more to do with the responsiveness. It also could be that my old boots were so packed out that my positioning wasn't optimum - and I just got used to it. I'll do some additional evaluating this weekend.
Curious as to how you are settling into this boot. I just bought the 115 flex lv version to replace my tecnica mach1 115 lv boots. The Lange Shadow is very comfortable and I do think the technology does help with responsiveness. But I had the same issue with fighting being in the back seat. I didn't expect that and I am not sure if I will adjust my skiing or if I should be investigating a spoiler or heel lift? They do have a little bit less forward lean than my Tecnica, but I have also read that more forward lean can also put you in the back seat. I am a bit confused but will try them again and see if I adjust. Late in the day today, a friend put the softer elasotmers in on the ankle lower dual pivots. I think it helped. I did not soften the suspension blade area but I think I can do that also. Appreciate any further feedback you may have!
 

BlizzardBabe

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Hi @skihub . I've had b/w 20-30 days in these boots now, and I'm loving them. I did get up-market footbeds. Not custom, but better than the standard footbed that comes w/the boot. That is the only adjustment I've made. It took me about 2 days to get used to the responsiveness but from that point, I was no longer falling into the back seat. They are strangely comfortable boots. I also have the 115LV.
 

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