Intuition liners

[Sheena]

So I have been having issues with my right boot for, well basically forever. The left boot fits great - from day one. The right boot hurts my arch - really bad. After a few days of skiing in it, it feels fine, but this breaking in part kills me. I have tried several foot beds, and even skied without a footbed for awhile.

The husband just got a new pair of intuition liners, and I was curious if any Divas have them and what they think. I was going to order a pair of them when he did, but I am really hesitant to buy things when I am not sure how they will fit. When we were working on heat molding them for him, I noticed that they come up really high on the calf. I have a really muscular calf (i.e big) and not sure if that would make the fit worse?

I just want to be able to ski comfortably from day one to the end of the season, and not have to re break-in my boots every season.

 

[tradygirl]

I got a pair this year for my AT boots. I've liked them so far for the added stiffness, and they are definitely going to last me longer than my stock liners did.

That being said, they do sit higher on my calf than my old liners. If you already have calf issues with your regular liner, you may not like them. I do feel a bit more pinching on my lower calf than I did on my old liners. But I can deal with a little discomfort in my AT boots since I can loosen them up while skinning. On alpine boots, you don't really have that leeway.

 

[SnowHot]

I have the intuition liners in my Krypton Storms.
I have muscular calves but not necessarily big calves.

There is a difference of how they fit around the calf, depending on how much they are pulled up when being molded.

From a personal standpoint, I have never had a boot/liner that is more comfortable, or cozy than the intuitions. I have an extremely high instep.

Have you been to a good boot guy to see if there is a solution for your footbeds? I have the decent footbeds but not custom footbeds. I've heard of a few situations where footbeds that are formed without being weighted can cause arch problems, but then I'm not a boot pro so take that info for what its worth.

 

[Sheena]

Have you been to a good boot guy to see if there is a solution for your footbeds? I have the decent footbeds but not custom footbeds. I've heard of a few situations where footbeds that are formed without being weighted can cause arch problems, but then I'm not a boot pro so take that info for what its worth.

There was a great boot guy that we went to in DC, have to find something here now. My first season on the boots, it hurt at first, and assumed I was just waiting for the boot to pack out a bit because the left boot fits like a dream! Second season (last year), I had some pain in the beginning, and then as I skied more, it got better, but when I took a week off of skiing, the first day was painful again. I went back to the ski shop in DC and asked about custom footbeds, they examined my foot for awhile and recommended I try a new type of the Superfeet first before I spend a ton of money on customs.

I have been trying to wear my footbeds in my regular shoes with the thought that maybe I need to get used to the extra support since I don't wear very supportive shoes on a daily basis.

 

[Elangirl]

I just got new Dalbello boots---The Krysma and had to decide on ID liners or not. Finally did not get them because of the fact that they come so high up on the calf. I have skinny calves, but have a short leg and don't like the boots and liners that come up too high.

I just skied with my new boots and absolutely love them, I have so much more control with them---even better than my Langes---but, I agree with Snowhot---you need the help and advice of a good boot fitter before you make these decisions.

My bootfitter last year heat fitted my ID liners into my Dalbello Storms, but I did not like the fit---especially the height on my leg. I went back to the stock liner and was more happy.

All that being said, I am glad to hear that your boots were checked by a fitter. I wear orthodics in my shoes, but have different ones in my ski boots.

 

[SnowHot]

A couple things........
-You got the Kryzma? I'm sooooo jealous!!!

-If you're interested in selling your intuitions, let me know.

Sheena, Have you taken the liners out of the boots?
I saw one situation where there was a minor thing in the boot shell (I think it was a piece of cardboard with boot information on it) that had fallen into the boot and it was just enough to cause instep issues.
Sounds dumb, but worth a look.

I just got new Dalbello boots---The Krysma and had to decide on ID liners or not. Finally did not get them because of the fact that they come so high up on the calf. I have skinny calves, but have a short leg and don't like the boots and liners that come up too high.

I just skied with my new boots and absolutely love them, I have so much more control with them---even better than my Langes---but, I agree with Snowhot---you need the help and advice of a good boot fitter before you make these decisions.

My bootfitter last year heat fitted my ID liners into my Dalbello Storms, but I did not like the fit---especially the height on my leg. I went back to the stock liner and was more happy.

All that being said, I am glad to hear that your boots were checked by a fitter. I wear orthodics in my shoes, but have different ones in my ski boots.

 

[IntheClouds]

Sheena,

Does the boot hurt the arch of your foot or the instep ? Not that I have much knowledge here but it does make a bit of a difference as to what is causing the pain, where located on your foot & what adjustments can be made. I do have the intuition liners in my krypton storms. They do come up high on the calf but my calf is very high so it's just right. Whether the liner will solve the problem is something a boot fitter could tell you best.
But when it comes to those superfeet insoles, it is really important to get the insole that matches your instep. This is gauged by where the instep support & heel fit your foot. NOT by the size of the insole. Then you cut the toe shape down to fit. If you get an insole that has the instep support in the wrong place, it will hurt. & keep hurting until your foot changes it's shape or toughens up.

When I buy insoles for my shoes & boots, I fit them by putting my heel inplace & then where the instep support is relative to MY foot. Usually 1 size larger than recommended since I have a long instep. If I went for the recommended size, my feet would hurt because the instep support is too far back on my instep. Ariat brand boots & shoes do this to me also. Support is for a shorter instep. You may also want to try a different brand such as the Down Under insoles. I actually like them better. A little bit different & feels better than the superfeet for me.

Good luck, & take those boots to a good bootfitter & have them see where the real problem lies.

 

[Elangirl]

Snowhot---I hate to even tell you, but the Krysma is awesome. I have great power and direction from them. They are stiff---not for the intermediate skier, but, when you want that power, it is there.

I have only skied them once----we train for the next two days, will be happy to have them on my feet again.

 

[SnowHot]

Drat!!
I mean, glad you love them!

I really wanted to step into that stiffer boot, but was talked out of it since my storm is only a year old.
Now you have me thinking I shoulda got it anyway.
Dang!

Snowhot---I hate to even tell you, but the Krysma is awesome. I have great power and direction from them. They are stiff---not for the intermediate skier, but, when you want that power, it is there.

I have only skied them once----we train for the next two days, will be happy to have them on my feet again.

 

[alaski]

I wanted to resurrect this thread because I'm so disappointed in my Intuition liners. After shelling out $200 and having them rebaked 5-6 times, they still don't fit right. It is so frustrating. I have spent more time at the ski shop than I ever wanted to. I'm hoping that the ski shop will give me a credit or that Intuition will give me a refund. I was really hoping they would work out but it's such a chore to get them to fit properly. I'm left with my toes banging against the front of the liner, and too much lateral slop. No matter what they do to try to fix it, they come out the same way every time. Bummer!

 

[alaski]

One more follow up post, sorry divas!

I just called Intuition because this was bothering me so much. They were lovely, and very helpful. The shop that fit my liners baked them three times on the first day, and have baked them 3-4 more times since. Intuition told me that they should be baked three times, MAXIMUM, in the life of the liner. I had asked the tech about that when they were being fitted, and he kind of brushed me off, saying that as long as we were baking them three times on the first day, it wouldn't make a difference. Well let me tell you, it does make a difference! Intuition says the liners are ruined after three bakes, and two in some cases. So the shop owes me a pair of liners. I'm going to go down and talk to the shop and see what happens. The guy from Intuition says they'll back me and make it right. So wish me luck! And whatever you do, don't let anyone bake your liners more than three times. If they don't get it right by then, they owe you a new liner.

 

[SueNJ]

My experience, and that of others I've read about, has been that the folks at Intuition Sports really stand behind their product. I'm about to get Intuition (Dalbello ID) liners for my boots, this Friday in Killington. The shop I'm going to has a really good reputation and I'm hoping I'll have a good experience. The guy I spoke with on the phone told me that I won't even have to pay for them until they've been baked and fitted to me and I'm comfortable with them.

I hope things are made right for you one way or the other.

 

[alaski]

yes, the Intuition guys were fantastic. They promised me they'd make it right one way or another. I spent about 1/2 hour on the phone with the rep, talking about how the liners should feel and learning more about them. I'm sure you'll have better luck than I did. I learned from a friend that the ski shop I went to screwed up her Intuition liners as well. So, I'm hoping for either a refund or an new pair of liners that I can take to another shop. There are just not many options here, so wish me luck...

 

[SnowHot]

FWIW, I was told by the mfgr to heat my liners with Stacks instead of an oven. You should find out about that also.

Of course this was almost 2 years ago, so they may have changed the materials and process.

 

[alaski]

Whew - the ski shop gave me a full refund for the liners. They were going to replace them with new liners, but I really don't trust them to fit them again, so I was thrilled that they were out of stock. So they just gave me a refund and said they'd special order a pair if I wanted.

So, I guess I'm back in the stock liner for the rest of the season, but at least I have my $200 back.