I Purchased CARV

[MissySki]

I don't have Carv, just lurking, but for those running the powerstrap under the shell, would it work to use an unattatched power strap, booster or voile strap to have more options on where to place the unit?

I'm not sure... It needs to be tight enough to not really move at all and then I'm not sure if you want it on something that's securely attached to the boot like the booster is so it fully moves with the spine when flexing? Maybe some good questions for Carv...

 

[Susan L]

After I put a bead on Missy, I'm coming for you next.

HA!
I like having goals.

Another question for other CARV users:
What metrics are you focusing on?
Because I took some lessons during the low tide snow this year, I've been working on turn shape, so I switched to that in the app instead of matching edge angles.

During the CARV demo during Blister Summit, I was skiing with the Marcus Caston group for a bit. He offered me some tips that actually worked well for me to break 130 initially, but later when I was working on the same aspects, it was like "trying too hard" actually dropped my IQ.

BTW, when Marcus Caston asks, "Mind if I give you a tip?" you say... YES!

I am not focusing on any metrics. One of my instructors is pretty obsessed with Carv and he told me speed is not rewarded so all I have been doing is slow down (from my usual 48mph to 25-30mph).
I have been on Carv for 25 days now and my high SkiIQ on day 1 was 128 to now at 145. I am happy with that and I’d like to be a Grim Ripper one day!

 

[SnowHot]

I am not focusing on any metrics. One of my instructors is pretty obsessed with Carv and he told me speed is not rewarded so all I have been doing is slow down (from my usual 48mph to 25-30mph).
I have been on Carv for 25 days now and my high SkiIQ on day 1 was 128 to now at 145. I am happy with that and I’d like to be a Grim Ripper one day!

I changed mine to turn shape specifically because my instructor has been working on that with me.
My two best scores (133 and 135 respectively) were on slow lines. Kind of like skiing the slow line methodically

 

[MissySki]

The other option could be to turn the booster over so it cinches on the inside, as I have done in the past for Hotronics needing space on it…

 

[cosmicplanks]

One thing that I’ve been thinking about when using the turn monitor for SkiIQ is bringing up the scores of the lowest rated turns rather than trying to beat my score on the best turns. It seems to be working in terms of cleaning up the low score turns, but hasn’t changed my top score yet.

 

[cosmicplanks]

@MissySki I am also looking for higher edge angles and I think I figured out what’s holding me back. I actually allowed for it to happen once (instructor was watching), worked the angle on my new inside ski quickly and as a result I REALLY loaded that outside ski like never before. I caught a really strong rebound, and wasn’t ready, lost my inside ski and almost crashed. Haven’t worked up the courage to try again, but I’ll get there. What I learned from that is that physically I’m able to do it, I just need to be prepared and develop some confidence. I also suspect that the difference in IQs between men and women may have to do with this.

 

[snoWYmonkey]

I think the differences between scores is multifactorial.

There are physiological strength and reflex differences that are measurable and known.

This is evidenced by the race time differences between genders on identical race courses. 1 to 2 seconds is huge for world cup racers.

I suspect pure strength is the biggest issue. If it takes at least 8 turns to record a segment amd the Gs are in the 2.5 or 3 Gs realm then 8 of those 3 times one's bodyweight single leg squats will be harder for most women to achieve, even the most fit.

I also know for a fact that I am not seeing as many women out there skiing the turns consistently that generate scores above 170. Those scores are not racing turns but rather demo turns.

I think that some men might be getting some high scores in the 140s without looking the part. Just a guess. Smooth is not always the key to some of the high scores.

I do think that men that ski have more time and more of a need to compete and that generalization will skew the scores to their favor.

I also suspect that they are more likely to invest in the devices and ski to score so to speak. I want to spend a day turning it on only for the straight smooth consistent pitches and turning it off so that the trveslrse turns don't skew the IQ score downward.

I find it odd that i am 5/10 in the grim ripper zone yet my last 5 out of 50 segments are not even in the zone below that. I would love to know how the actual IQ is calculated.

 

[MissySki]

@MissySki I am also looking for higher edge angles and I think I figured out what’s holding me back. I actually allowed for it to happen once (instructor was watching), worked the angle on my new inside ski quickly and as a result I REALLY loaded that outside ski like never before. I caught a really strong rebound, and wasn’t ready, lost my inside ski and almost crashed. Haven’t worked up the courage to try again, but I’ll get there. What I learned from that is that physically I’m able to do it, I just need to be prepared and develop some confidence. I also suspect that the difference in IQs between men and women may have to do with this.

As in you tipped the inside ski higher on edge more quickly? If so, I think that does make sense and could be something holding me back as well. I've been told this season that I am overly outside ski dominant and need to work with my inside ski more so that would fit into the overall theme I've found myself in.

 

[snoWYmonkey]

There are at least 2 women at my home mountain in the top 10. A 159 and a 161 score. One is an instructor.

 

[MissySki]

I suspect pure strength is the biggest issue. If it takes at least 8 turns to record a segment amd the Gs are in the 2.5 or 3 Gs realm then 8 of those 3 times one's bodyweight single leg squats will be harder for most women to achieve, even the most fit.

I cannot figure out HOW to get to that high of a g-force at all... I think my highest is usually around 1.4. I don't at all know how to affect that metric individually it seems. And since they did the update to not focus so much on g-force that hasn't been suggested to me as something to even work on. I'm not sure if that is a positive or negative though... I guess because it might be more of an outcome of other stuff?

I also know for a fact that I am not seeing as many women out there skiing the turns consistently that generate scores above 170. Those scores are not racing turns but rather demo turns.

I just want more in the 150s, not even worrying about 170! lol... I don't actually know what a 170 turn would even look like I guess. As an instructor, are you able to kind of sort people this way now that you are using Carv?

What are demo turns??

I think that some men might be getting some high scores in the 140s without looking the part. Just a guess. Smooth is not always the key to some of the high scores.

Not being smooth is fine, but what exactly are they doing to hit 140s seemingly much easier and more often, that we aren't? Do you really think it is more about brute strength or something else? I thought that Carv compares their AI scoring with instructors watching video and scoring the same skiing to see how closely they match. So wouldn't someone need to "look the part" in either case? I just want to know what the heck I need to do for the measly 2 extra points to 140 right now lol. I would love to work with a Carv instructor just for that at the moment. I still am just not sure what makes the turns in the 140s different from the turns I get in the 130s for a given segment.

 

[cosmicplanks]

Yes. I think it was that + allowing my body into the inside of the new turn enough and at the right time, and then really bringing the inside knee up-out. … and then I nearly got bucked out of that ski lol

As in you tipped the inside ski higher on edge more quickly? If so, I think that does make sense and could be something holding me back as well. I've been told this season that I am overly outside ski dominant and need to work with my inside ski more so that would fit into the overall theme I've found myself in.

 

[MissySki]

Yes. I think it was that + allowing my body into the inside of the new turn enough and at the right time, and then really bringing the inside knee up-out. … and then I nearly got bucked out of that ski lol

I've had experiences like that in the past, probably why I'm a little tentative with the inside edging. Definitely working on it, I'll try and focus on getting it there faster this weekend to see what happens!

 

[cosmicplanks]

I've had experiences like that in the past, probably why I'm a little tentative with the inside edging. Definitely working on it, I'll try and focus on getting it there faster this weekend to see what happens!

Are you still mostly skiing your Blaze 86? My best scores are by far on the Laser SC. I’m sure better skiers than me can score high skiing any ski- not the case here!

 

[Susan L]

I think the differences between scores is multifactorial.

There are physiological strength and reflex differences that are measurable and known.

This is evidenced by the race time differences between genders on identical race courses. 1 to 2 seconds is huge for world cup racers.

I suspect pure strength is the biggest issue. If it takes at least 8 turns to record a segment amd the Gs are in the 2.5 or 3 Gs realm then 8 of those 3 times one's bodyweight single leg squats will be harder for most women to achieve, even the most fit.

I also know for a fact that I am not seeing as many women out there skiing the turns consistently that generate scores above 170. Those scores are not racing turns but rather demo turns.

I think that some men might be getting some high scores in the 140s without looking the part. Just a guess. Smooth is not always the key to some of the high scores.

I do think that men that ski have more time and more of a need to compete and that generalization will skew the scores to their favor.

I also suspect that they are more likely to invest in the devices and ski to score so to speak. I want to spend a day turning it on only for the straight smooth consistent pitches and turning it off so that the trveslrse turns don't skew the IQ score downward.

I find it odd that i am 5/10 in the grim ripper zone yet my last 5 out of 50 segments are not even in the zone below that. I would love to know how the actual IQ is calculated.
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Where do you find this?

 

[snoWYmonkey]

@Susan L Do you mean on the app page? I go to the coaching page then click on the full details words.

 

[Susan L]

@Susan L Do you mean on the app page? I go to the coaching page then click on the full details words.

Thanks! I had to update my app to see “coaching”.

 

[Susan L]

Looks like I need to improve on balance. I hit 145/143 twice and have a bunch of 141s. Within my 145s, I actually have turns that are over 150 but also have some 140s so I guess they averaged out? Hitting 10/10 targets in a single segment seems impossible…

 

[snoWYmonkey]

@Susan L nice overall though! I still dont trust the app. Your scores are overall way higher yet I am somehow hitting half the targets for the same level. Very perplexed. The average part is frustrating. I have some random 90 to 100 scores on individual turns. Clearly consistency is one of many shortcomings. For example my mid turn balance average on the segment below is low in spite of a few very high scoring turns.

 

[snoWYmonkey]

Here is what my two colleagues who both rank in the top 25 in the world for CARV look like when I see them ski. Not a racing turn but a high level ski demonstration turn aka demo turn. Some parts of the world actually have demo competitions. The US does not.

 

[snoWYmonkey]

@MissySki Sorry, just now getting to a computer instead of phone.

In answer to your G force question, my understanding is that the forces build rather than the skier creating them intentionally. Yes, I suspect that you are correct that they are the outcome from overall precise carved turns. I have not gone and looked for my highest ever on any metric, but looking at some segments that were almost 100 percent carved I can reach 1.8. That means that I am almost doing a single leg press of a total of close to 300 pounds! That's a lot of force for me. I know I can't achieve that in the gym statically.

I only have one student using CARV so far and he is not hitting any high scores yet. Though the data supports what I focused on with him as I did not know until day three that he was using the app at all. The demo turn is a very high performance non racing turn. Demo for demonstration, aka looks good, such as what the ski instructor industry strives for.

My guess about some men hitting higher scores with sorta meh turns is, that I bet that they can carve yet may not look particularly clean when they do so from the feet on up, but still hit the individual targets. A woman skier might be making really nice skidded turns, and moving her body perfectly, but not necessarily addressing the metrics in the same way. This is not gender specific by the way. I just see men with high scores that I know, that in my mind's eye don't look like my two colleagues above. Granted they are more in the 140s and 150s not the in the 170s.