I Purchased CARV

[Susan L]

I’ve noticed and thought about this too. I am also stuck around 140 (although I have finally reached it a few more times now with actual good runs instead of a run that looks like a Carv score mistake). I think Carv rewards one particular kind of skiing. It rewards high edge angles and high Gs. Most women I know that ski well are not necessarily chasing that, especially if they’re mainly off piste skiers. They’re chasing smoothness and edge control.
In any case, Carv opened my eyes to this whole other set of skiing skills that I wasn’t thinking too much about. I’m enjoying the challenge!

Re: Rewarding high edge angles and high Gs. Look at this guy who beat me at the podium yesterday with a 151 (I was 145). He did it on Rueggli!! According to Carv, both my edge angle (58*) and G (1.3) were higher than his (42*/1.0) and most of my metrics were better too, yet he scored higher than I did. I am starting to feel that us women have to work a lot harder just to increase our scores and men kinda just get rewarded…
I also have segments with higher edge angles in the 60s and G in the 1.5+ but skiIQ are lower.

 

[SnowHot]

Since we’re playing this game now, @Susan L stop inching your Ski IQ up, I will never catch up at this pace!

After I put a bead on Missy, I'm coming for you next.

HA!
I like having goals.

Another question for other CARV users:
What metrics are you focusing on?
Because I took some lessons during the low tide snow this year, I've been working on turn shape, so I switched to that in the app instead of matching edge angles.

During the CARV demo during Blister Summit, I was skiing with the Marcus Caston group for a bit. He offered me some tips that actually worked well for me to break 130 initially, but later when I was working on the same aspects, it was like "trying too hard" actually dropped my IQ.

BTW, when Marcus Caston asks, "Mind if I give you a tip?" you say... YES!

 

[MissySki]

Re: Rewarding high edge angles and high Gs. Look at this guy who beat me at the podium yesterday with a 151 (I was 145). He did it on Rueggli!! According to Carv, both my edge angle (58*) and G (1.3) were higher than his (42*/1.0) and most of my metrics were better too, yet he scored higher than I did. I am starting to feel that us women have to work a lot harder just to increase our scores and men kinda just get rewarded…

Hmmm now that sounds very fishy! I would love if you sent that into Carv and see what they have to say about it.

Could there be something about a male's anatomy and how the sensors work that are biased in some way outside of just the "data" source the AI has to work with? Are there any random benefits being seen by a longer/stronger leg, or stiffer boots/skis perhaps that the typical male versus the typical smaller female skier might have/use? There just seems to be "something" there... and usually it would be difficult to find an apples to apples comparison, but sounds like you do in fact have one and I'd love them to dig into that further to understand it...

 

[Susan L]

Maybe I will change my gender on my profile and see if my SkiIQ will go up

 

[SnowHot]

Oh and regarding men vs women; There is a guy on SkiTalk that I have skied with regularly and I know I'm a better skier than he is.
I was tied with him on IQ for a bit and had a goal of beating him. I did. Whew.
I have a few other men on the site that I have in my cross hairs.
In the words of the CARV Voice.....
Lets do this!
Go get 'em Tiger!

 

[Susan L]

Hmmm now that sounds very fishy! I would love if you sent that into Carv and see what they have to say about it.

Could there be something about a male's anatomy and how the sensors work that are biased in some way outside of just the "data" source the AI has to work with? Are there any random benefits being seen by a longer/stronger leg, or stiffer boots/skis perhaps that the typical male versus the typical smaller female skier might have/use? There just seems to be "something" there... and usually it would be difficult to find an apples to apples comparison, but sounds like you do in fact have one and I'd love them to dig into that further to understand it...

Not to mentioned he had a 21m radius vs mine of 15m.

 

[MissySki]

I have been letting Carv assign my focus areas, except when it just doesn't make sense.. like on ice I don't WANT to work on higher edge angles. I am purposely trying to use lower edge angles in that case... see my point above about Carv not being able to recognize the issues there condition wise...

My top 2 have been:

Transition Weight Release - for some reason this is consistently my worst metric. I can improve it when we focus on it, and then it just goes away again. I would LOVE and tips here if anyone is mastering this metric! I only have good transition weight release in bumps lol.

Edge Angle - I can get to the high 40s but have been having trouble getting above that. And one side is worse than the other here.

 

[SnowHot]

Re: Rewarding high edge angles and high Gs. Look at this guy who beat me at the podium yesterday with a 151 (I was 145). He did it on Rueggli!! According to Carv, both my edge angle (58*) and G (1.3) were higher than his (42*/1.0) and most of my metrics were better too, yet he scored higher than I did. I am starting to feel that us women have to work a lot harder just to increase our scores and men kinda just get rewarded…
I also have segments with higher edge angles in the 60s and G in the 1.5+ but skiIQ are lower.

Hmmm, I wonder if I switch my gender in the app to Male will my scores change?

Edit: I see you already beat me to that idea.

I mean, How is it that my goal for turn shape is 54% and I'm hitting 82%+ reguarly and my IQ doesn't increase?

My highest IQ in bumps is 119.

 

[MissySki]

Oh and regarding men vs women; There is a guy on SkiTalk that I have skied with regularly and I know I'm a better skier than he is.
I was tied with him on IQ for a bit and had a goal of beating him. I did. Whew.
I have a few other men on the site that I have in my cross hairs.
In the words of the CARV Voice.....
Lets do this!
Go get 'em Tiger!

I mean, there are definitely men who are not up top, lots of them, there just seems to be SO MANY who are at the top and such higher scores than the top female at many mountains that it seems suspicious to me that there is some underlying factor potentially influencing the score. Though I have no real rationale for it at all other than observing this trend over time and across a bunch of mountains' leaderboards as I use Carv at more of them lol.

 

[MissySki]

Hmmm, I wonder if I switch my gender in the app to Male will my scores change?

I HOPE not!!! I was never thinking this would be the case, and think more there could be some ingrained thing anatomically or equipment wise that is lending itself to men's skiing matched with the majority male data feeding their AI algorithm. But that would certainly be an interesting check...

 

[SnowHot]

I played with position of the sensors from the front of the boot to the outside(there's room for it on my new double BOA).
I'm not sure if my skiing is better in the stiffer boot or if having the sensors on the outside instead of in front makes a difference.

 

[Susan L]

Here, we shall see tomorrow!

 

[SnowHot]

Here, we shall see tomorrow!

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Do it!!

 

[SnowHot]

The guys we talked to at CARV are hoping to get more mogul and uneven terrain data, especially from women.
Sadly, most of the data is from groomers because CARV inspires that kind of skiing.

 

[SnowHot]

On SkiTalk Phil committed a swag package to the first person who broke 170.
How about I do the same here for the first Diva who breaks 150!

Lets do this!

 

[MissySki]

I played with position of the sensors from the front of the boot to the outside(there's room for it on my new double BOA).
I'm not sure if my skiing is better in the stiffer boot or if having the sensors on the outside instead of in front makes a difference.

I had to go back to mounting mine on the inside of my cuff... I was finding I couldn't get my booster strap as tight as I wanted with it on the outside and I can't go in front since I put the booster under my shell. I know they don't want it there, but I'm hoping it's because they feel damage could occur more readily versus a performance issue.

 

[MissySki]

On SkiTalk Phil committed a swag package to the first person who broke 170.
How about I do the same here for the first Diva who breaks 150!

Lets do this!

Love this!

 

[SnowHot]

I had to go back to mounting mine on the inside of my cuff... I was finding I couldn't get my booster strap as tight as I wanted with it on the outside and I can't go in front since I put the booster under my shell. I know they don't want it there, but I'm hoping it's because they feel damage could occur more readily versus a performance issue.

According to Jamie at CARV, the sensors don't work as well on the inside, and they really don't like it if the sensor is loose.

This is where women with smaller feet/boots is an issue because the outside of the strap is too close to the upper buckle, and there isn't enough strap space for a sensor or boot heater battery for that matter.

BTW, (different thread, I know)..I think the CORTEX 125 boot is your jam!

 

[diymom]

I don't have Carv, just lurking, but for those running the powerstrap under the shell, would it work to use an unattatched power strap, booster or voile strap to have more options on where to place the unit?

 

[MissySki]

According to Jamie at CARV, the sensors don't work as well on the inside, and they really don't like it if the sensor is loose.

This is where women with smaller feet/boots is an issue because the outside of the strap is too close to the upper buckle, and there isn't enough strap space for a sensor or boot heater battery for that matter.

BTW, (different thread, I know)..I think the CORTEX 125 boot is your jam!

Darn... it definitely Isn't loose at all, as my booster is very tight... but I just cannot pull it as tight as I'd like when the sensor is on the outside of the strap. Perhaps I will contact them and ask for some more info on this.

I'm intrigued on the Cortex! I was bummed to see that Sporthoma seems to have the Cortex double boa but in the next flex down from 125. Would it at least be worthwhile trying it on to see the fit? Or would too much be different on the 125 version I wonder?