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I’m skiing in mens boots: the journey

jthree

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Of course! Full disclosure: I work there sometimes so I’m biased :smile: but they were my go-to in the area before I started working there last year. Peter is excellent but so are all of the boot fitting staff. It’s a boot shop, at its heart and they work on boots essentially free after purchase unless you need expensive parts. Just a really honest, nerdy crew who wants people to love their ski experience. If you’ve had specific challenges getting a good fit in the past, happy to ask the boot room who is most experienced in a specific area but I’ve honestly heard/seen good things all around. Appointments can be booked online but call if you have questions prior.
Ooh this is exactly what I want to hear-- honest, nerdy crew is perfect! I really liked @ilovepugs' bootfitter in Stowe at MountainOps (he put me in some wonderful boots for uphill skiing) but since I don't ski Stowe, it's out of the way for me. Thank you and now back to the journal thread!
 

KathrynC

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
My theory is that "women's specific" mostly means "designed for someone 5'4"/shorter who is proportionally lighter." For me, at just about 5'4", women's-specific when it works mostly means "ergonomic for someone who isn't the average height male."

For skis, maybe - but for some other things it is a bit more nuanced than this. For example, although I am of a height where I could happily ride a men's/unisex bike, both my bikes are women's bikes because they suit me better proportionally. Some of the differences compared to a unisex bike like shorter cranks and a narrower bar width just work a lot better for me. This is very dependent on the brand though - brands that just scale everything down are no good, but the difference can be very striking if you have a brand that has really thought about it ergonomically. Similarly, in climbing, women's harnesses tend to have different waist:thigh ratios to mens/unisex, which work better for me too.

For what it's worth, all my skis are women's models. That's not because I've specifically limited myself to women's models, it's because they are what I have liked best when I've tested them (same with the bikes). My skis are all in the mid 160s in length, so there are loads of mens/unisex options available for me - but I'm quite light for my height and generally find women's models easier to flex how I want. Again, this is brand dependent - just making skis shorter doesn't help, but when brands really think about what they are doing, it can make a difference.

For boots, I'm stuck because my feet are tiny - at 22.0, I generally just take whatever I can get!

Despite what I've said above, I do find gender-specific marketing very frustrating. I like what has happened in the sea kayaking world, where most boats now come in low-volume, mid-volume and high-volume variants with no reference to gender. It's true that most people who paddle low-volume boats are women, and most people who paddle high-volume boats are men, but there is no reference to this in marketing, just pick what fits you best. I wish this approach were rolled out across more sports.
 

floatingyardsale

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
For skis, maybe - but for some other things it is a bit more nuanced than this. For example, although I am of a height where I could happily ride a men's/unisex bike, both my bikes are women's bikes because they suit me better proportionally. Some of the differences compared to a unisex bike like shorter cranks and a narrower bar width just work a lot better for me. This is very dependent on the brand though - brands that just scale everything down are no good, but the difference can be very striking if you have a brand that has really thought about it ergonomically. Similarly, in climbing, women's harnesses tend to have different waist:thigh ratios to mens/unisex, which work better for me too.

For what it's worth, all my skis are women's models. That's not because I've specifically limited myself to women's models, it's because they are what I have liked best when I've tested them (same with the bikes). My skis are all in the mid 160s in length, so there are loads of mens/unisex options available for me - but I'm quite light for my height and generally find women's models easier to flex how I want. Again, this is brand dependent - just making skis shorter doesn't help, but when brands really think about what they are doing, it can make a difference.

For boots, I'm stuck because my feet are tiny - at 22.0, I generally just take whatever I can get!

Despite what I've said above, I do find gender-specific marketing very frustrating. I like what has happened in the sea kayaking world, where most boats now come in low-volume, mid-volume and high-volume variants with no reference to gender. It's true that most people who paddle low-volume boats are women, and most people who paddle high-volume boats are men, but there is no reference to this in marketing, just pick what fits you best. I wish this approach were rolled out across more sports.
I don't think we disagree mich. I adore Liv bikes! But for me I think the biggest difference lies in the fact that instead of the break in sizing falling between 5'5" and 5'6", the Small size spans 5'2"-5'7". Treating women's stature/weight as normative matters so much.
 

KathrynC

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I don't think we disagree mich. I adore Liv bikes! But for me I think the biggest difference lies in the fact that instead of the break in sizing falling between 5'5" and 5'6", the Small size spans 5'2"-5'7". Treating women's stature/weight as normative matters so much.
It does...but I'm going to push back a bit. I do not live in the US, I live in a country where average heights are lower than they are in the US. At 5'6", I am above the average height for men in my country and a towering giant for a woman! I quite like visiting the US because I don't stand out there!

For that reason, I have no problem with buying something sized Medium or Large based on my height - that fits with how I compare against my peers in my local environment.

One thing to perhaps consider is that most brands market globally, and the US is quite a tall country compared against global averages.
 

Verve

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Possibly the last update here from me to say I did add custom footbeds before a trip to Utah and I’m SO glad I did. I have somewhat high arches - nothing crazy - and I tend to get an ache under one foot or the other after long days or if I’m doing intensive skiing. For example, if we’re demoing and I switch skis every few runs, I find that fatigues my feet quickly, or skiing boiler plate etc.

I don’t know if brand matters as much as Bootfitter but these are the custom molded Boot Doc footbeds. After 5 days on the new insoles they feel amazing. Even just standing around. They feel like my worn in Birkenstocks, holding right under my arch. Hard to say for sure but I think they probably made my day when we were skiing bumped out heavy powder for the full day. I didn’t have the best skis for it (I travel with just my 97 underfoot Stockli Nelas) but the right boot will get you through anything.

If anyone is on the fence about investing in a better fitting boot, I say go for it :smile:
 

SnowHot

Angel Diva
@Verve so glad you had a good experience.
Boots are the most important piece of gear to get dialed, and we're all unique snowflakes with different needs.

I recently got a new pair of K2 Cortex Double BOA boots and moved my fully posted MasterFit footbeds into them. Earlier this year I put a BoodDoc custom footbed in my Lange Shadow 110 LV.
I am one of those skiers who can't ski in a boot without a custom footbed.
 

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