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How soft for a large woman?

back2ski

Certified Ski Diva
After about 17 years off the hills, I wanted to get my kids into skiing so have gone about 10 times in the past three years just at the local SE WI hill. Thinking I was getting a bargain with shaped skis vs my high school straight Dynastars, I picked up some Fischer Revolution (DRS 93) control plus 160 skis from Goodwill. Addl. info on the ski is :
target group - S (whatever S means), 93-63-93, plasma edge, Solomon 500 bindings

my specs, unfortunate as they are, 5'10", 250 lbs, out of shape moreso this year than last, maybe a level 5 if I weren't in so much pain from the boots.:(

Boots were bought mid season last year, Technica Attiva Entryx, recently fitted with footbeds and heel lifts which helped some, but not enough.

I'd heard older Fischers tended to be stiff and have nothing to go by with that statement and how it applies to me. I don't feel any more confident now than three years ago and my legs are exhausted within 2 hours of skiing our short hills on Greens and Blues.

Since my kids enjoy skiing and snowboarding with their friends in ski club, I figure I can invest in some decent skis, though I still tend to shop only clearance or ebay to keep the price under $300. Unlike many of you, if I choose the wrong ski, I can't just add it to the quiver or a non-existant ski swap and buy something different. Especially if I want to keep my marriage intact (he doesn't ski).

My main questions are, with my heaviness am I compromising ski strength by going with a women's ski, will it matter that much (such as Atomic Balanze 7 vs Izor 5, for example), and how do I know which skis "ski short" when looking at the 160-170 range?

I want control and skid a lot to stay at a moderate speed, mostly bc I'm afraid of falling if I get going too fast and am unable to turn or stop when needed. My youngest just skis straight down the hill and her friends laugh at me when i try to tell her to carve back and forth, so they're always waiting by the lift for me. I would like to get away from the skidding and eventually, probably not until next year and 50 lbs off, dare the diamond hills. Possibly go to the UP next winter if we can convince dh it's a worthwhile vacation considering he'd be alone in the lodge.

some skis I'm looking at currently: Fischer Vision 73 (worried it's too much ski since many of you better skiiers are happy with the 70s)
Atomic 918 Puls or 918/920
K2 One Luv or True Luv
Head C220i (if I can find them in good shape)
Atomic Balanze 7 (again if i can find it for a good price)
Atomic Metron IX or ?

I appreciate the info I've already read here and any input you can give me specifically. Thanks
 

Jilly

Moderator
Staff member
I've been on the C9 or 9:18 from Atomic. If you can find that one, would be good. I would look at a Metron over the Balaze from Atomic too. I'm not up on Head or K2. There are others that are.
 

back2ski

Certified Ski Diva
'04 Elan Whisper 6.0 was another one the ski shop had recommended last year. What's not so good about the Balanze series? Too narrow? I think my holdup last year was the graphics for the flex I thought I needed.

would I be better off renting than using my fischers?
 

num

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Hey back2ski, do you think you'd be able to demo? What local hill have you been going to?
 

back2ski

Certified Ski Diva
Sorry I don't know of any place in SE WI that has demo days. Some may, but I don't know about it. The kids' ski club goes to Alpine Valley. Not exciting, but cheap with club rates and their friends are there.
 

Jilly

Moderator
Staff member
The balaze is going to be way too soft for you. I know alot of people on the C9 or 9:18 (including myself at one time) that love that ski. It makes hero's out of everyone. Don't know enough about that Elan, but elangirl can help with that choice.
 

Bravosarah

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I would recommend the Burnin Luv over the One Luv and forget about the True Luv, way too soft. How about the Atomic Super B?

Personally, I would ski the rest of the season on the Fischer Revolutions and wait for the ski show or ski swap in the fall to find a great deal on new skis.

Right now, I would spend the money on getting your boots comfortable. Seriously. Skis are secondary if your feet hurt in your boots.

Good luck,
Sarah
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I'm going to agree and disagree with Sarah.

She suggests getting those boots tweaked. That's a GOOD idea -- happy feet helps a whole lot when you're out in the cold!

And I agree that sticking with these old skis a little while longer can't hurt -- take your time finding the ski you want at the price point that makes everyone happy.

But when it comes to skis, I'm going to respectfully disagree on her Burnin Luv recommendation over the One- or True Luv. I haven't skied the Burnin' or the One, and I'm not saying they're not good skis, but...

You're a heavy skier, and lack confidence.

Been there, done that, True Luv may be soft, but it worked for me as a 5'4" 230# skier, afraid of speed, sorely lacking in skill, and desperately in need of control over something while on the hills. Ski salesman recommended these, and they helped me lots. I won't say they made me a better skier. Time and practice does that, but they made me more comfortable skiing badly!

GRANTED, in three seasons, I'm pretty sure I'm ready for a new, "more serious" pair of skis, but they're just what I needed while I needed them!

What I haven't seen suggested yet is some lessons.

DH got me started back around the turn of the century (ooh, doesn't that just sound like an eternity ago?) with a series of beginner lessons. It was last year before I took any more lessons. The three hours I spent with Tuffy at Grand Targhee a couple of weeks ago was absolutely the best investment of time and money I've made in my education as far back as I can remember!

Kano
 

Bravosarah

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Oops, sorry I didn't think you were a beginner.

I suggested the Burnin Luv's because I got the impression that it was fitness level not lack of confidence keeping you on the greens & blues.

I am also a heavier woman and have the One Luv's. I like them lots, but sometimes I wish I got the stiffer Burnin's. I didn't want you to make the same 'mistake'.
 

num

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Wilmot is having a demo day on 2/24. I dunno if you're familiar with them, but if not here's a link. Wilmot and Alpine Valley are about 25 miles apart. They're smaller than AV but have variety, and aside from all too infrequent demo days, you can demo skis from the shop at any time, though they're mostly unisex and there's a charge.

I'm definitely planning on hitting the demo day on the 24th, it's sponsored by Viking Ski Shop and hopefully they'll have a nice selection.
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Sarah -- it does look like she's returning after a LONG hiatus -- so not exactly a beginner, but probably might as well be, doncha think? And I could be wrong about the lack of confidence, but it sure sounded like it to me from her description of her skills/style. She sounds just like me! (back2ski, fwiw, I'm outgrowing this feeling) -- the fitness thing is an issue too, of course, as she mentioned.

The One Luvs could be an excellent choice for her, though I can't say, since I've not tried them. Personally, at the ski-stage she's describing, I'd be really intimidated by the Burnin' Luvs. (just from the info on their web site) I understand they're a stiffer ski, and it sounds like she's concerned about the stiffness of her current ski, so it's probably too soon for the Burnin' for back2ski too!

back2ski, I understand your consideration of the family pocketbook -- DH and I seem to have differing opinions over new skis for me now that I could benefit from some more advanced boards. (he's saying I should have thought ahead to being a better skier, but while that may have worked for him, it certainly would NOT have been good for me!) Equipping kids too, it's an important consideration when you're picking out what to buy.

Kano
 

num

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I can't speak for the Heads or Atomics, but I'd definitely try to check out the One Luv. Also, I wouldn't rule the Fischer Vision 70s straight out. If you could try them and the 73s back to back, that'd be awesome. I'm skiing on the Vision 70s in a 158, and I generally weigh around 170 but my weight had gone up and down significantly (~25 in both directions) from injury and recovery, and I haven't had issues with the ski. I'd suggest longer for you (165ish), but I wouldn't rule them straight out.
 

Bravosarah

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Back2Ski, I think we need some clarification...

My impressions are:

- That you have been back skiing for the past three years.

- You've been skiing on Fischer Revolution's (which was a beginners ski released in 1999) and now you are ready for an upgrade.

- You want to upgrade to a women's specific ski, but you are concerned that a women's ski might be too soft.

Is this correct?
 

back2ski

Certified Ski Diva
Thanks everyone for your respect and input. :smile: When I got down to 180 I thought I'd never go back over 200, and look at me now. Fitness is more the concern as when you fall, you fall much harder and it's harder to get back up and heal. As long as the snowboarders stay off my tails, I don't fall much on the slopes, but that's also bc I'm being cautious. While i skied black runs in high school and college, I was basically self taught and I believe shaped skis means a whole new way of skiing. I strongly considered taking a lesson last week but read some stuff online and thought I'd give it another try myself. If conditions are good next week I'll sign up for a lesson, maybe rent skis to see if it matters any. Club prices are only $14 each so if it does make a huge difference maybe I'd be better off renting this season while still trying to break in my boots.

Anyone know how to get rid of the pain in the balls of your feet? It was just as bad with the new footbeds, and raising the heels has now made my right big toe touch the top /inside of the boot so adding padding there probably won't work. I know, back to the bootfitters. Just wanted the bruising on my ankles to go away first this time.

Based on the website the burnin luv did seem a bit more advanced, but then again they're thinking someone under 150 lbs on a 167 set of skis.

No input on the Fischer Vision 73's? I see rave reviews on the 70s for ladies a bit better than myself so that's what's holding me back, but the 70s are double the price oddly.
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Back2Ski, I think we need some clarification...

My impressions are:

- That you have been back skiing for the past three years.

and mine -- but like, three times a season?

- You've been skiing on Fischer Revolution's (which was a beginners ski released in 1999) and now you are ready for an upgrade.

- You want to upgrade to a women's specific ski, but you are concerned that a women's ski might be too soft.

and I thought maybe you feel your current ski is too stiff?

Is this correct?

Yes, what are we looking for?

At the same time -- we're having interesting conversation here, eh Sarah?

Kano
 

back2ski

Certified Ski Diva
Back2Ski, I think we need some clarification...

My impressions are:

- That you have been back skiing for the past three years.

- You've been skiing on Fischer Revolution's (which was a beginners ski released in 1999) and now you are ready for an upgrade.

- You want to upgrade to a women's specific ski, but you are concerned that a women's ski might be too soft.

Is this correct?

Yes, yes and yes. I just don't want to split the ski the first time I hit a bad bump (or even 3 years down the road). Good to know the status of the Fischer Revolutions, being a beginner ski should mean they'd be right for me, maybe a bit short. I only have $50 into them so not concerned over giving them back to Goodwill if I can find something right/good for under $300. (Heh, that's my price guide, not discussed w/ dh). In the 3 yrs I've probably only skied 10 times, once at Devil's Head that ended early taking my neice to the ER (yes she actually did take the lesson first) and the rest at Alpine Valley.
 

Bravosarah

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
At the same time -- we're having interesting conversation here, eh Sarah?

For sure! We're both thinking the opposite of one another, pretty funny actually. I THINK we're reading the same post. :laugh:
 

ski diva

Administrator
Staff member
I actually have the Fischer Vision 73s in 154, but I'm 5'1" and 110 lbs. For me, they're great, Lively, snappy, not too stiff (I personally don't like a stiff ski), easy to turn, and lots of fun.

Can't speak about the 70s, though. Never tried them.
 

back2ski

Certified Ski Diva
and mine -- but like, three times a season?



and I thought maybe you feel your current ski is too stiff?



Yes, what are we looking for?

At the same time -- we're having interesting conversation here, eh Sarah?

Kano

-As the price is right, we only go with ski club. They are scheduled every other week usually, however if you remember WI winter last year it was mostly mush or too cold so half were cancelled. This year it was raining and 50 the first trip out - we skipped it - only had two nights thus far this season. Idk why they didn't schedule for Dec when we had such beautiful snow here.

-I have no idea if my skis are stiff or soft, that's just what someone (I think the ski sales guy) said about Fischers when I said I was having a hard time on them.

-I'm glad you're at least a bit entertained and not annoyed. :p
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
back2ski;31886 -I'm glad you're at least a bit entertained and not annoyed. :p[/QUOTE said:
Not much chance of annoyed, back2ski! Learning, like you! I know it sounds silly to say it, but not so long ago, I had a sort of light-bulb moment. It came to me that maybe there was more to know about skiing than I thought. That led me here, and I've been amazed by all the stuff I didn't know -- and didn't know that I might want to know!

Since joining, I've learned so much! Even in this exchange you started, I've learned too, so thank you for asking questions, and provoking thoughtful answers!

Kano
 

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