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Has anyone tried snow skating?

ski diva

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I think it's kind of like cross country in that it's not downhill, but it incorporates a slightly different dynamic; more like skating. The equipment is similar to cross country, too.

I've tried cross country in the past, but wasn't sold. Snow skating looks like it might be interesting; a good alternative for days (translate: weekends and holidays) when the slopes are too crowded.

Anyway, if anyone's given it a try, I'd love to hear about it.
 

Jilly

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Our local shop sells snowskates, it's more like skateboard without wheels. I didn't look at the video on the other thread.
 

ski diva

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No, I don't mean those little shortie skis; what I have in mind is something like cross country skiing, but it's called "skating." It seems to be offered at cross country ski centers, and has more of a skaing motion than cross country skiing.
 

eng_ch

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As I undertsand it "skating" is simply a different flavour of cross country. Traditional is where the skis just go in a straight line and skating is where the step is as if you are skating. But they are all cross country
 

Jilly

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I agree with eng_ch. There are two classifications for nordic racing. Classic, track type skiing and skating. At pro levels there are different boots, skis and binding even. Most of us use both techniques to go X-country. Skate on the flat stuff, herringbone or classic style the hills. And as I mentioned before, our local shop has snowskates made by Line. They look like skateboards without the wheels. The top has an abrasive material and bottom is plastic with grooves. You stand on top one foot forward and one back like a skateboard and slide on down. Great for your backyard hill. But not something for a ski hill.
 

vanhoskier

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Jilly is right: nordic skiing is divided into classic (diagonal stride) and skating. Skating requires a different ski with waxable bases, using temperature specific glide wax that is ironed on and then brushed to a very smooth finish for speed. Boots have more ankle support than classic boots. Poles are much longer; i.e. up to your nose in height. Unlike what Jilly says, you CAN skate uphill; I find it much preferable to classic cross-country. There are 3 different poling techniques to use depending on the terrain.

It is probably the best aerobic, full-body workout you can get. And it's loads of fun. Good skis are made by Fischer, Atomic, and Madshus. Atomic, Rossignol, and Salomon make good boots. One of the best resources I have found is reliableracing.com. They are located not far from you in Glens Falls, NY.

I am always open to giving skate-ski lessons!:becky:
 

NewEnglandSkier

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I do some skate skiing--I think it is fun and it is a very aerobic work-out. I think is is harder to master/do well and efficiently than classic nordic, so there is always something to work on as far as improvement. I've done it for a couple years, though never consistently, so I haven't made a lot of progress with it.
 

vanhoskier

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Yes, you have to practice a lot with the technique. I've taken about 10 lessons from an amazing instructor in Lake Placid. It's something that has come naturally to me...but I've spent a lot of time on skate skis. I'm probably more comfortable on them than alpine skis.
 

altagirl

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Yeah, skate skiing is just a variation of XC skiing.

I'm really interested in buying some skate skis for next year. This year I've done so much XC skiing and have been trying to skate more and more on my classic XC setup, but it's just not efficient like real skate skis would be.

Still debating what to buy though... What do you ladies recommend for a first skate ski setup? I've found women's specific skis, but I'm wondering if I'd be better off on a unisex pair. I'm 5'9" and 170+ lbs. The gear guy at BC.com said 183-185 length would be about right for me - does that sound right? Is there anything else to take into consideration?
 

SuperMoe

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I love skate skiing...I almost never classic ski. I find skate skiing to be more athletic, you can go faster, etc. And yes, I do ski up the hills, albeit very poorly when I'm out of shape. I think that's why I was so in shape for downhill, I never had any soreness, etc, I could ski DH all day one of my first times. By the time I started downhill, I was doing quick 10K skis or skiing for 1+hours at a time, so I was very conditioned.

As to what skis, you really need to check the camber of the skis, length is secondary. They need to support your weight. I ONLY ski Fischer...the base is sooo great. I have a pair (rock skis) that is 15+ years old and I rarely wax them and they are great no matter when I use them.

I am 5'7ish and ski on 185s. The longer ski, the better glide you can get, but you may have trouble clipping your tails. There are times when I think I would like slightly shorter skis.

So, look at the Fischer line, go for SCS or RCS (they should all be skate-cut...eg shaped skis) The technology of the SCS (even though they are more entry level) is much like my upper technology that I had 10 years ago with my current pair. Find boots that you feel comfortable with (I"m sad, it's time to replace my Alpinas but they just aren't doing the job) Make sure you get the Pilot bindings...those are the newest and although I don't have them...will probably upgrade next year...most people really like them.

Ski Diva...I just love to XC ski. You might like the more athletic style of skate skiing. Nothing beats just getting fresh air and aerobic exercise...gets me in great shape for biking season. As much as I like downhill, I can turn my brain off when I XC which I can't do because I have to think too much about my downhill.
 

alaski

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I just learned to skate ski this year. It's pretty easy for anyone who is reasonably proficient at ice skating or rollerblading, and is familiar with skis in general. That said, it's worth getting some pointers from someone who really knows what they're doing.

Skate is fun because you can go much faster than regular x-c. I wanted to skate because it's a great way to take my dog for a run when it's not bike season! We have great trails here and as long as it's not crowded, it's really fun.

At least here, though, the nordic culture is kind of snobby and not much fun (all they ever do is complain about trail conditions, argh!), so I usually ski by myself. Don't know if it's just local culture or not.

ETA - altagirl, there is a HUGE difference between classic and skate skis. Skating on classic skis is a nightmare! I've had pretty good luck with renting skate skis to get a feel for them. You might want to try out some different kinds to see what you like.
 

altagirl

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I just learned to skate ski this year. It's pretty easy for anyone who is reasonably proficient at ice skating or rollerblading, and is familiar with skis in general. That said, it's worth getting some pointers from someone who really knows what they're doing.

Skate is fun because you can go much faster than regular x-c. I wanted to skate because it's a great way to take my dog for a run when it's not bike season! We have great trails here and as long as it's not crowded, it's really fun.

At least here, though, the nordic culture is kind of snobby and not much fun (all they ever do is complain about trail conditions, argh!), so I usually ski by myself. Don't know if it's just local culture or not.

ETA - altagirl, there is a HUGE difference between classic and skate skis. Skating on classic skis is a nightmare! I've had pretty good luck with renting skate skis to get a feel for them. You might want to try out some different kinds to see what you like.

Oh, it's a relief to hear that. I've been feeling progressively better and stronger skating on my classic gear, but you see those guys skating along so fast on their good skate gear and I think holy crap I'm obviously out of shape! But I think it's probably like riding a downhill bike on the road. Soft boots and scales are like having a squishy suspension and big knobbies on the road.

And I think here we're lucky that we just have a wide variety of XC trails. I think if you go out to Soldier Hollow - that's where the serious XC people are and it probably is more snobby. Then we have the areas you can pay to use the demo gear, and they're more mixed use. And then we have the round valley loop which is pretty inconsistent in terms of trail conditions, but it's actually marked for ski-joring and such, so it's a very laid back combination of snowshoers, XC skiers, etc. out taking their dogs out for a run. And then we have the Rail Trail, which is nearly flat and goes on forever and I rarely encounter another person once I get a mile or so out of town on it.
 

alaski

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You will be amazed at how easy it is on skate gear. Classical boots just aren't stiff enough, and classical skis aren't cut right at ALL!

As I've been renting different types of skate gear, I find a pretty major difference in the types available. I hesitate to buy until I'm sure of what I want. It really sucks being stuck on crappy rental gear until then, that's for sure....
 

gardenmary

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And I think here we're lucky that we just have a wide variety of XC trails. I think if you go out to Soldier Hollow - that's where the serious XC people are and it probably is more snobby. Then we have the areas you can pay to use the demo gear, and they're more mixed use. And then we have the round valley loop which is pretty inconsistent in terms of trail conditions, but it's actually marked for ski-joring and such, so it's a very laid back combination of snowshoers, XC skiers, etc. out taking their dogs out for a run. And then we have the Rail Trail, which is nearly flat and goes on forever and I rarely encounter another person once I get a mile or so out of town on it.

Altagirl - I skiied Snowbasin and Solider Hollow this year for XC. At Snowbasin in December I worked with an instructor named Jeff Stuart who is a world-ranked biathlete and a GREAT XC instructor. If you can, try to set up a lesson with him sometime at Snowbasin; I'm sure he'd be happy to help you get going with skate skiing. I'm not familiar with the instructors at Soldier Hollow; one of the other instructors at Snowbasin and I went down there for a "chicks' day" of XC skiing in February (we had a BLAST!!) so she and I were working together.

Besides, if you make a weekend of it you can ski Snowbasin and/or Powder Mountain downhill runs as well as the Snowbasin XC trails. Just make sure wherever you stay has a hot tub, 'cause you'll need it after skating!

Utah is such a phenomenal place to ski.

(ETA - alaski's right, you really can't skate on classic skis, because of the scale pattern underneath. You can skate downhill, but not uphill!)
 

mollmeister

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As I undertsand it "skating" is simply a different flavour of cross country. Traditional is where the skis just go in a straight line and skating is where the step is as if you are skating. But they are all cross country


^^^^ Yeah, that.

I have done a lot of skating in the past. It's fun, and VERY hard work. If you like a good, calorie-burning, sweat-inducing, heart-pounding workout, it's the best!

Kirkwood in CA has a great Nordic Center, and I have done some very tough skate skiing there. Also at Eldora. Wish there was more snow down on the plains of the front range. . . I'd go out and skate ski every day all winter.
 

altagirl

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I love skate skiing...I almost never classic ski. I find skate skiing to be more athletic, you can go faster, etc. And yes, I do ski up the hills, albeit very poorly when I'm out of shape. I think that's why I was so in shape for downhill, I never had any soreness, etc, I could ski DH all day one of my first times. By the time I started downhill, I was doing quick 10K skis or skiing for 1+hours at a time, so I was very conditioned.

As to what skis, you really need to check the camber of the skis, length is secondary. They need to support your weight. I ONLY ski Fischer...the base is sooo great. I have a pair (rock skis) that is 15+ years old and I rarely wax them and they are great no matter when I use them.

I am 5'7ish and ski on 185s. The longer ski, the better glide you can get, but you may have trouble clipping your tails. There are times when I think I would like slightly shorter skis.

So, look at the Fischer line, go for SCS or RCS (they should all be skate-cut...eg shaped skis) The technology of the SCS (even though they are more entry level) is much like my upper technology that I had 10 years ago with my current pair. Find boots that you feel comfortable with (I"m sad, it's time to replace my Alpinas but they just aren't doing the job) Make sure you get the Pilot bindings...those are the newest and although I don't have them...will probably upgrade next year...most people really like them.

Ski Diva...I just love to XC ski. You might like the more athletic style of skate skiing. Nothing beats just getting fresh air and aerobic exercise...gets me in great shape for biking season. As much as I like downhill, I can turn my brain off when I XC which I can't do because I have to think too much about my downhill.


Woohoo - So today was the garage sale at REI and I picked up some 187 Fischer SCS skis with bindings for $49, and some Madshus Metis RPS boots for $45. Luckily, they even had 5 different models of boots all in that price range in the garage sale for me to try on - in fact there were more models in there in my size than there were out on the store shelves at regular price. I kept wanting the Atomic ones to fit because they looked like the most high-end, but they're a little wide in the forefoot and the Madshus ones seemed to hold my foot snugly in all directions and have the most lateral stiffness because of the precise fit. Now I just need some longer poles, but the only thing they had in my size in the store was $120 on sale and I'm just too cheap. I'll have to go check the other stores to see if they have the non carbon fiber composite variety in my size elsewhere.

But check out how cute my new boots are:
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Anyway - so I went right out to test out my new gear... and it's both easier and harder. Like it's obviously easier to skate, but you can't switch back to "rest mode" - you're either skating or stopped (or more likely sliding backwards...) I also managed to cross my tails and somehow get a pole stuck and wound up in a heap looking like Bambi on an ice skating rink at one point. Not sure how that happened. ;) I could probably use a lesson or two. I didn't even think about it until afterwards, but my classic skis are BC style - so they're literally twice the width of the new skate skis in some spots... Just when I thought I had gotten my balance on skinny skis I went and got another pair half the size to start over again.

But it was fun. And I was smoked after only about 50 minutes of skating. I'd get moving pretty good, think wow - this feels super good and I'm totally in control and then whoa.... wobbly-ness! Though I guess I felt the same way when I first got my other XC skis, so I guess it'll come around!
 

altagirl

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Altagirl - I skiied Snowbasin and Solider Hollow this year for XC. At Snowbasin in December I worked with an instructor named Jeff Stuart who is a world-ranked biathlete and a GREAT XC instructor. If you can, try to set up a lesson with him sometime at Snowbasin; I'm sure he'd be happy to help you get going with skate skiing. I'm not familiar with the instructors at Soldier Hollow; one of the other instructors at Snowbasin and I went down there for a "chicks' day" of XC skiing in February (we had a BLAST!!) so she and I were working together.

Besides, if you make a weekend of it you can ski Snowbasin and/or Powder Mountain downhill runs as well as the Snowbasin XC trails. Just make sure wherever you stay has a hot tub, 'cause you'll need it after skating!

Utah is such a phenomenal place to ski.

(ETA - alaski's right, you really can't skate on classic skis, because of the scale pattern underneath. You can skate downhill, but not uphill!)

I was thinking about heading out to Soldier Hollow to take a lesson. My husband already thinks I'm insane with the driving to Park City to ski when Alta is right up the road (but they don't allow dogs and only have like 5km of track), I'm sure he'll think I've lost my mind if I go to Snowbasin, but it's tempting!
 

ski diva

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Thanks for all the info, everyone.

I can not WAIT to give this a try, but I think I'll have to wait for next season. I like to ski too much during the week, and I'm too occupied during the weekends through the middle of April. Still, I think it looks like so much fun!!!!
 

vanhoskier

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Anyway - so I went right out to test out my new gear... and it's both easier and harder. Like it's obviously easier to skate, but you can't switch back to "rest mode" - you're either skating or stopped (or more likely sliding backwards...) I also managed to cross my tails and somehow get a pole stuck and wound up in a heap looking like Bambi on an ice skating rink at one point.
Nice boots! Madshus makes the nicest women's boots. And Fischer skate skis are the best. Wow! You found yourself a deal! What luck! Here in PA, most people don't even know what skate skis are!

When you skate, you WILL cross your tails...that's natural. Watch videos of good skiers and you'll see that they do this. Actually, you should lightly touch heels with each stroke. And balance skating is a little different than on alpine skis, because when you drive each foot forward, you're actually weighting your heel and keeping your hips straight, while on alpine skis, you are conditioned to keep the weight on the balls of your feet. So it takes a little adjustment.

When I first learned to skate, I started by getting into the classic ski tracks on a groomed course, with only one ski on. Put your one ski in the track and push off with your ski-less foot, and glide on the ski that's in the track, keeping your weight on your heel and your hips in. Practice trying to get longer and longer glides on that ski. When you feel you can keep your balance, switch feet.

Also, once on the skating portion of the track, practice without poles (then you don't need them!) The first time or two I go out each year, I skate without poles. It's a harder workout, but it forces you to work on your balance and form, instead of using the poles as a crutch. You can also work on turns better this way. If there is a wide open "stadium" area on the course, practice here where you can skate in circles.

Definitely get a lesson, because there are little things you need to learn that are hard to pick up just by watching somebody else. Have fun! And once you pick it up, go to Park City; the trails there are beautiful!
 

SuperMoe

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WooHoo

Hey Alta...that is great! You're crossing more into the dark side now. Definitely do not pay $120 for poles...all you need is some basic ones you can get for around $30 (I think I got my daughter's for $20 on sale) Vanhoskier is right, you really don't need poles, but try to find a flatter (green) trail to practice on. If you have too many steeps, it's too frustrating. I often ski without poles on flats (just hold them in your hands, don't use them) It really forces you to get your weight out on your ski and work on your balance. I have a tendency to try and lean forward too much, you just need a nice bend in your ankle (think shin-tongue)

As to stopping and going, I have that problem the first few skis out. What I do, is I just keep moving. If I'm really tired, I'll hop in the tracks and just pole for a little bit, otherwise, I single pole just to keep going. Even if it's slow, I try not to stop and it might mean that I walk with my skis for a little bit.

And I think I told you before...you need a certain level of "ski-fitness" when you skate ski. My first few times out of the season look pretty shabby. I haven't been skiing as much these last few weeks. I can do a quick 8K, but after that, I get tired and my form starts to suffer. Take some lessons, but don't be afraid to ski without them for a while. If you have any athletic ability, it'll be fairly intuitive and you'll catch on pretty quick.
 

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