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Harry Potter 7: Deathly Hallows discussion thread (BEWARE - spoilers!)

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
SPOILER ALERT!! SPOILER ALERT!!

I finished the book on Sunday and I've been dying to talk about it! Just interested in your general thoughts about the book and any favorite moments.

Here's a few of mine:

First of all - best book of the series, hands down. She is a genius storyteller.

Made me laugh out loud: "Vot is the point of being an international Quidditch player if all the good-looking girls are taken?" - Viktor Krum

Made my cry like a little girl: Hedwig's death within the first 100 pages, Harry digging Dobby's grave

Character I most wanted to strangle: Dumbledore - how much can you love and hate a man in the matter of a few chapters??

Moment that I was most glad that my husband wasn't in the room: Harry marching to his own death with his head held high - I sobbed. A lot.


That's just a start! Can't wait to hear what you all thought!
 

RachelV

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I finished it yesterday and agree that's it's a fantastic story. I don't like fantasy books in general but the stories have kept me reading HP.

My only real complaint was the epilogue. I thought it was obvious... didn't really add anything you couldn't have guessed once you knew that Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny all lived. And -- Albus Severus? Worst name EVER. ;)

I also thought it was kind of a cop-out that Ron, Harry and Hermione all lived. Don't get me wrong, I was glad -- but JK Rowling talked so much about how people die in this book, it's not an all-around happy ending, blah blah, then Fred is the big casualty? I was bracing myself for one of the 3 to die throughout the whole book.

Anyways, overall I thought it was great. I especially liked how they answered all the questions about Snape. Very sad.
 

Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Overall, I'm very pleased with the book.

Snape definitely is tragic. I've actually been re-reading the last 150 pages every night since Sunday. I was thinking that had Snape been a woman currently living in the US, popular culture would have cast her as a pathetic spinster who isn't able to move on.

The epilogue is unsatisfying in that it doesn't tell you what any of the trio that we've grown to care about is DOING 19 years later. We learn that Neville's a professor at Hogwarts and that everyone has a ton of kids, every one of whom is named for someone deceased. I don't think Rowling is likely to write something as epic as Harry Potter, but I can foresee shorter books in a future series (like Sweet Valley High -- hee hee). With Voldemort kaput, there's nothing to really left to drive the story unless something happens with a Death Eater offspring. So, I can see an "Adventures of ...." type of thing if anything, but nothing as elaborate as what we've seen so far.

The movie for Book 7 will probably be PG-13, no? Lots of implied swearing, and of course, the Mrs. Weasley exclamation. I was disappointed that Neville did not exact revenge on Belletrix and that it was Mrs. Weasley who killed Belletrix instead. I had this image in my head of a censored version of the movie being shown on TV in 2 years. You know how instead of saying the B word on broadcast TV, they dub in "witch"? Is it not hilarious, in the context of Harry Potter, for Mollie Weasley to be yelling at Belletrix LeStrange, "NOT MY DAUGHTER YOU WITCH!" (P. 736). :smile:

I went into the book thinking about Judeo Christian themes, ie, Harry as Jesus, Voldemort as Satan, Snape as Judas (as much as I didn't want to believe it), Dumbledore as God, Hermione as Mary Magdelene (sp?), Ravenclaws and Griffandors as Harry's disciples (even with Dean Thomas at one point disbelieving Harry's assertion that Voldemort was back). Resurrection of Harry, etc. The analogy isn't clean, though, and I felt like Voldemort was more Pontius Pilate than Satan.

There was obvious imagery in there reflecting low periods of world history, such as the persecution of Jews and internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.

The theme that most intrigues me, however, is that of love. Dumbledore says that Voldemort is devoid of love and repeatedly tells Harry throughout the series that it was Lily Potter's love for the child that saved him as a baby. As book 7 progresses, we see instances of several types of love: a mother's love for a child (Mollie Weasley for her children; Narcissa Malfoy for Draco; Kendra Dumbledore for Ariana D.); romantic/idealized love for a partner (Snape for Lily; Lupin for Tonks); platonic love (Harry for his friends, and vice versa); some lust (Ron and Hermione; Harry and Ginny); and maybe a crush-like/infatuation (earlier in the series, Harry for Sirius - I mean, Harry seemed to idolize him; Harry for Dumbledore? idolization again; perhaps any younger students towards Harry). Would a house elf's relationship with his master be a sort of agape love? Maybe that's stretching it a little....

Anyway, those are some of my thoughts on the book/series!

Oh wait, my final thought was the theme of orphans and abandonment. I had read in a Washington Post article that Rowling has obviously been compared with Tolkein and CS Lewis, but perhaps the writer she shares the most in common with is Dickens, who wrote for the masses, had colorful names for his characters, and whose protagonists have tended to be loners and orphans. I haven't read any Dickens lately, so I'm not sure what to make of that.
 

num

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I haven't poked around in miscellaneous discussions in a while, just noticed this thread. All in all, it was another great read. Here're a few scattered thoughts.

On the whole Snape thing, it played out more or less as I'd figured it would. It was hard to believe that Snape could have been evil with the oh-so-omniscient Dumbledore having that much faith in him. The trip through his memories was nicely done, and I thought it was great that we didn't have confirmation of his allegiance until after his death.

I do think, though, that it would have been a great shocker and dark ending to have found that Snape was evil after all and killed Dumbledore of his own accord and turned Hogwarts into some sort of magical sweatshop. I can't imagine Rowling ever doing that, but I think it would have made for a great ending.

I agree with rachelv about the epilogue. What does everyone grow up to do, other than get married and have children? Is Harry an auror? Ron, Hermione? Also, who does Tonks and Lupin's kid live with? All I remember was that he comes around for dinner a lot and was caught snogging someone.

Dumbledore's backstory was great to hear. I was discussing the book with a friend, and she was very disappointed with him and his actions in his year off etc. Personally, I didn't lose any respect for him, and found his less than perfect actions in the past to reflect the human side of him that we didn't see much of before. I appreciated being able to see him fighting temptation, and making unselfish choices in the end.

I really liked Aberforth coming into the picture. I think the eye Harry had seen being Aberforth's was a nice touch, and he cracked me up when (don't have the book handy) he said something to the effect of "You just saw that my patronus is a goat. With brains like that, you ought to be a Death Eater" when asked if he had sent the doe patronus to guide them to the sword.

Though the loss of a Weasely was sad, it was bound to happen since there are so many of them. I thought that more main characters would die though. Tonks and Lupin both dying was something though. Kind of made me wonder if their kid would be the next Harry Potter.

All that being said, who thinks real people are going to start getting the Death Eaters' dark mark tattoos? Wonder if people already have...
 

Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Num -
There's a whole section on msnbc.com, I think on the Today Show website, consisting of interviews with Rowling post-July 21. I thought it was weird that she was using interviews to fill in the blanks as to stuff that could have been written in the book, like what professions the kids now have. She stated that Harry and Ron were now Aurors, with Harry some sort of chief of Aurors. Hermione is an attorney.

She was originally going to kill of Mr. Weasley but opted for other parents, Lupin and Tonks, instead, thereby creating yet another orphan (as you noted).

She's also contemplating creating/publishing an world of Harry Potter encyclopedia as there are so many back stories that she wanted to include but just couldn't keep in the final versions of the books. I think Dean may have been one kid that she mentioned who had a far more interesting history than was revealed. I guess this is why I would not be surprised if there are subsequent books featuring these characters.
 

persee

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Indeed I'll echo what everyone else has been saying. That damned epilogue is a cop-out. I was hugely disappointed.

Now some more comments which I'll preface by saying I just finished reading Deathly Hallows, and I reread the other six before reading it so that I wouldn't have missed anything going in. The biggest thing I was upset by was the totally lose end of Teddy Remus Lupin - Harry's his godfather, she killed both his parents, shouldn't Teddy have been raised by Harry? I mean obviously he still had he Grandma Tonks but with the whole big deal that Sirius was to Harry as a godfather you'd think that Teddy would have been more important than just a note about him "snogging" someone in the epilogue. As for who he was "snogging" I think we should assume that Victoire is Fleur and Bill's daughter - kind of silly having the two werewolf-witch kids together. I would have also liked to find out what happened to the Dursleys. With Voldemort gone there's no reason that they could not have contact again.

Another thing that has irked me all along is that there has never been explanation as to what happened to the rest of the Potter family - James may have been an only child, this has never been clear - but what happened to his parents (ie Harry's grandparents)? Shouldn't they have still been alive when Harry was orphaned? It's just a glaring omission that kind of irks me.

Oh and on the whole subject of who kills Bellatrix, I think that Harry would've also had a good case for killing her out of revenge - she did kill Sirius who meant the world to Harry despite their short relationship. I think on an emotional level Harry was closer to Sirius than Dumbledore so avenging her murder would've held more for him. Even so I can handle Mollie doing it that way as it's the first time we've ever seen her doing much other than being a good wife/mother so I liked it.

Lastly I think the deaths that upset me most in the whole series were Sirius, followed closely by Remus and Tonks. The others were not the same emotional level. While everyone else was shocked and outraged about Dumbledore in book 6 I had seen it coming for some time. And despite his major role in Harry's life there just wasn't the same emotional connection there. At least not to me.
 

IntheClouds

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Loved the whole book. I had been waiting for an explaination for Dumbledore's faith in Snape & really liked the way Rowling had Harry discover that w/Snape's memories in the pensive. Liked the way she showed Snape as a young boy growing up & knowing Lily before ever starting at Hogwarts. That was a surprise. Interesting how she wrote this. Showing that if you really love someone, you never turn against them.

As I've read this series, I've looked at it from a parent's view of what my son will be reading & what he'll get out of it when he starts the series.(I've not let him see the movies until he reads the books.) I think he'll really enjoy & relate to so much of the interaction the kids have at school. Friends & enemies. Suprising finds in the oddballs to really treasure. Basically a good elementary & jr high age book on friendship, love, trust,faith, loss & the difficulties in growing up & learning to decipher & discriminate between things.
 

Lola

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Well, I am little late on the reading end, but I just finished the book. I was tempted to read this thread before I finished the book, but I did not. I really enjoyed the last book, but as was mentioned, I couldn't help but notice the Christian symbolism . . . Harry sacrificing himself by dying willingly, only to be resurrected and defeat death once and for all.

So, any recommendaitons on what I should read next?
 

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
So, any recommendaitons on what I should read next?

A couple book series that I got totally engrossed in after HP are:

Twilight by Stephanie Meyer (New moon and Eclipse complete the series, for now). It's about a girl who falls in love with a vampire. Hopelessly addicting.

His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman. I haven't read books 2 and 3, but it's really intriguing.

Both series are "young adult fiction", but so was HP, right?
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In other Harry Potter news, did you guys hear about this? I swear that this is not a joke.
JK Rowling speaks about Dumbledore and others
 

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