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Discussion - Why YOU (yes, you) need a boot fitting!

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Very few people have feet that fit nicely into properly sized ski boots. Every woman out there should treat herself to a boot fitting session with an oustanding boot fitter! You'll be AMAZED at the difference it makes in your skiing!! Even the snappiest ski won't work if your boots don't fit properly.

Women in particular tend to buy boots at least 1-2 sizes too big. This is partially because we are looking for "comfort" and partially because we tend to wear shoes that do really awful things to our feet (heels, sandals, etc.).

Check with your local high school or college race team to see who the racers and coach recommend for fitting....usually 1 or 2 names will pop up repeatedly.

To get the best service, call and make an appointment with that person. When you go, take a pair of shorts, the thinnest pair of ski socks you own (or even nylons), your custom footbeds if you have some, and your boots (or if you're planning to buy new, ask if they want you to bring your old boots). Plan on spending 2-3 hours.

Here's what to expect:
They should look at your nekkid feet and legs, then measure your feet with a Brannock device (the old shoe measury thing), while sitting and standing. At this point, they may recommend a stock or custom foobed to correct pronation (foot flattens and gets longer, and ankle rolls in) or supination (foot rolls to the outside). They should bring out a minimum of 3 prs of boots. If they don't pull out the liner and have you put your foot in just the plastic shell then shove their hands down the back of the boot, and maybe all around inside (shell fit you), go somewhere else. Proper shell fit is as follows: 1 "finger" or less for race fit, 1-1 1/2 "fingers: for performance fit, and 2 "fingers: for comfort fit. Anything bigger than that is too big! Then they should have you put your foot in just the liner, then put it all together. They should feel TIGHT but not painful!! Your longest toe should touch (but not be crammed into) the front of the boot.

They'll show you the correct sequence to buckle your boots for best fit (upper cuff buckles first, flex forward hard a couple times, retighten upper cuff buckles, then fasten the buckles over the foot) then have you hang out in them for a long time. Let them know if anything starts to hurt - be very specific about where and what type of pain it is (tingly, sharp, pressure, etc). They can fix most anything in the toe area, but be very concious of the fit near the heel and ankle. That area should be very snug. Keep in mind that most boots will 'pack out' and grow 1/2 to 1 full size as you ski in them. Keep one boot on one foot, then try another model on the other foot....change the one that doesn't feel the best....keep doing this with any other boots they bring you....until you find the one you like the best.

They should also look at your stance from the side to check forward lean and boot stiffness, and they may draw on your knees and put you on a canting machine to see if you're knock kneed or bow legged (that's why you'll want shorts). They may suggest stock or custom foot beds, heel lifts, or canting depending on what they find during your evaluation. Don't be shy about asking questions!!! This is your boot fitting!

If you're only looking to get your current boots fitted, they can pad loose areas, add heel lifts or custom footbeds, grind or stretch owie areas, soften the flex by removing the stiffening bolt/rivet or cutting the lower cuff, stiffen the flex by adding a bolt/rivet, adjust the cuff alignment, add cants if needed, and cut the upper cuff to relieve calf cramps.

You'll thank yourself when you end up with great fitting boots that help rather than hinder your skiing. :thumbsup:
 

Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
This is great, although I have a question about the different boots on different feet test: I've one foot that is nearly a half size larger than the other, so would this test still work for me?
 

Jilly

Moderator
Staff member
Volklgirl - that's a great post. I've been through the complete fit and won't do anything else again.

Pequenita - That's why you need a fitter. They can do that.
 

Kimmyt

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Volklgirl, thanks for the post. I've been piecing together from various other posts on epic and here about what 'should' take place in a good bootfitting, in order to determine if the place I buy my boots from is any good or if I should go elsewhere. I just bought a pair of boots from a shop a friend works at, and the shop did most of these things, except that no matter where I've gone, I've never actually had a shell fitting. I really like the way my boots fit now and I'm pretty sure they're the right size but just to doublecheck I will probably mess with the shell fit thing on my own.

FWIW I do tend to want my shoes sized smaller than normal, I'm so used to wearing climbing shoes that my feet have gotten to feel quite happy in a very tightly sized shoe so I think that helps me when I try on ski boots, everything feels large!

K.
 

altagirl

Moderator
Staff member
Volklgirl, thanks for the post. I've been piecing together from various other posts on epic and here about what 'should' take place in a good bootfitting, in order to determine if the place I buy my boots from is any good or if I should go elsewhere. I just bought a pair of boots from a shop a friend works at, and the shop did most of these things, except that no matter where I've gone, I've never actually had a shell fitting. I really like the way my boots fit now and I'm pretty sure they're the right size but just to doublecheck I will probably mess with the shell fit thing on my own.

FWIW I do tend to want my shoes sized smaller than normal, I'm so used to wearing climbing shoes that my feet have gotten to feel quite happy in a very tightly sized shoe so I think that helps me when I try on ski boots, everything feels large!

K.

It seriously blows my mind that any shop would even sell a boot without doing a shell fit first. That's just unacceptable.

Your boots shouldn't feel large. You don't want your foot crushed or your circulation cut off, but they should feel snug all over. The only area I have a tiny bit of extra space is on the top of my toes so they can wiggle up and down.
 

skigrl27

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Peq - Usually, they will size you according to your smaller foot - and they can "blow out" for the other boot. It's easier to make more room than to try and take room up in the boot. Also, a smaller boot will make your skis perform as they should be.

I've always had my boots customized and its the best thing you can do for your skiing, really. It's pricey, but if your feet are done growing - consider it a long-term investment.
 

marta

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
If you buy new boots, all that custom work is usually included in the price of the boot, no matter what boot you choose. Ask the shop. Expect a few visits to get it just right. The only thing that will cost extra would be custom foot beds, but that's money worth spending and you can re-use them for your next boots.

It will cost some $ to fit existing boots. Keep in mind that many older boots cannot be fixed, if the liner is toast. And some old boots are not really worth fixing if they never fit or performed well in the first place.
 

ISki

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Are tight boots painful? For how long?

I've never been able to buy tight boots. I just can't do it! I go for comfort. The one time my big toe touched the front of a boot was miserable!

I guess it's hard to get a perfect fit all the time. You either live with tight for a while and end up with good. Or you start off with good and end up with loose.
 

skigrl27

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Here's what my pro-fitter told me:

Standing upright, your toes should firmly touch the end of the boot - BUT the toes shouldn't be bent, or overly squished.

In your stance, your toes should pull back only enough so that they are no longer firmly touching the end of the boot. That is a properly fitted boot.

If you're after performance, that's what you should be going for. Also, do your boots currently need to be buckled down all the way? If so, they're probably too big.
 

MaryLou

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I need to do this...I know I do...but it would take time from my valuable ski time lol! So I keep suffering... I should have done it over the summer.

Actually, my ski boots fit great...before getting pregnant the next ski season. Havent' fit the same since. I suspect my overweight pregnancy caused it (still have a lingering 15 pds...).

I have found spending time adjusting the buckles perfectly works well - if I just buckle quickly (while zipping up kids, getting them into gear, finding their mittens...etc...) I'll spend an hour or so in pain before they settle in. They are the right size (the boot seller made me go a size smaller than I thought...but he was right on), it's just if they're not buckled right my feet slide around too much and I
try to control my skiis with my toes which makes my feet hurt. and my feet seem to vary a half size from one day to the next...
 

Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Peq - Usually, they will size you according to your smaller foot - and they can "blow out" for the other boot. It's easier to make more room than to try and take room up in the boot. Also, a smaller boot will make your skis perform as they should be.

I just got back from street shoe shopping and this thought actually crossed my mind: "I wonder if I can get the right shoe blown out a little so it fits better in the toe box." Man, I am a dork. :redface:
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
As far as sizing, I forgot to mention that all the buckles on a properly sized boot should be on the first or second notch only when firmly buckled. This gives you some adjustment room as the liner packs out, or on those days when your foot sizing is just "off".

If more than one of the buckles are in the middle or last notch, it suggests that the boot is too big in general. If only 1 buckle is beyond the second notch, it suggests that the shape of the boot is not appropriate for the shape of your foot.

Oh, and it's easier to make a too-stiff boot softer or a too-small boot bigger than the other way around.
 

IntheClouds

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I just got back from street shoe shopping and this thought actually crossed my mind: "I wonder if I can get the right shoe blown out a little so it fits better in the toe box." Man, I am a dork. :redface:

Well, no you're not. You can actually have them stretched in the tight spots. But I love your "blown out" thought.
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Given the number of comments regarding bootfitting and/or too-big boots lately, I thought maybe it was time for a bump. Stickie, even, maye??
 

SueNJ

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Excellent info, and far better to read it here than to have to learn all that the hard way, which is what I had to do.
 

Melissa77

Diva in Training
I wish I had seen this sooner. The first pair of boots that I purchased were fit by my shoe size and the guy convinced me that they fit properly. After one run in them a couple months later I knew there was a problem. The bootfitter at the resort did a shell fit and couldn't believe how big they were. I was wearing a 25 boot and ended up buying a 23. I now have no clue what to do with these ski boots that have been used for one run. Thanks for the info.
 

SueNJ

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I now have no clue what to do with these ski boots that have been used for one run. Thanks for the info.
You could sell them on eBay, or once you reach the required number of posts (I think it's 5?) you can post it in the Gear Swap & Sale section here.
 

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