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SkiBam

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
My feeling, as always, is that demoing the ski is crucial. For me, anyway. I recall buying a ski once that the guy in the shop (and this was someone I knew well and trusted) said would be great for me. It was not - too stiff and quite terrifying. I've bought too-soft skis as well and hated those. Now, I get all the recommendations but refuse to buy until I try. This happened with the Stocklis (Laser MX?I have now. The guy at the shop said I would love them but I said I'll only buy after I try. I was then at an industry demo day and talked to the Stockli rep, saying i was interested in the skis but was unable to try them. She apparently talked to the guy at the shop who put bindings on their pair of 146s for me to try. Well, I did love them (bought in February 2025) and am still loving them.
 

edgy

Certified Ski Diva
A too stiff ski will hinder your skill progression, and potentially induce bad habits.

Story: a long time ago when I was learning as an adult, I bought a stiff short-radius carving ski. I figured I'd "grow into it."

I knew, intellectually, what I needed to do to carve. Tip the skis, don't turn them. When tipped, they will turn on their own.

This is true. A tipped carving ski will bend, and a bent carving ski will turn on its own. It's fun to get yourself to let the ski turn you instead of you turning it. You will learn what the turns made by that ski at a certain speed will going to be like, and you'll learn where the ski will take you. It's also fun to feel it bending. It can, depending on how you ski it, feel like a diving board going boingggg boingggg. Nice!

But I could not get that stiff ski to do anything like that because it was too stiff to bend at the speeds I was used to and willing to go. It would have bent when used by a racer who knew what they were doing, or a heavy person going fast who could tip the skis without pivoting them - a true advanced skier. But that wasn't me. I was a learner. And I didn't know what I didn't know.

So what I learned, by default, was to rotate the ski to point where I wanted it to go. This worked, the skis turned, but this technique produced out-of-control skidded turns on hard groomed snow. As I became more confident, I sped up, emboldened by the turns I could make, and ventured onto steeper groomers. I often wondered "is this safe?" It wasn't, but my ski club buddies praised me and I believed them. As seasons went by, I bought new skis but I had by that time deeply embedded that "quick pivot and skid" habit into my muscle memory. New skis did not fix me.

You do not want to do that. It took me forever after I became a ski instructor to rid myself of that terminal intermediate movement pattern. It's gone, but I lost years of potential technical learning because I wasted many seasons making those pivoted turns.

Get a softer ski, short (up to your mouth and no higher when stood on end), with camber, without early rise, with a waist in the lower 70s or upper 60s. With such a ski you can learn to tip without pivoting them, feel the clean sensation of the ski traveling along its length smoothly, and as you gain confidence you'll be able to feel the ski bend. You may even figure out how to produce the diving board boinggg as you make short rhythmic turns!
Thank you for this! Makes total sense. I landed on the Blizzard Phoenix R13 Ti based off the discussion here. A ski instructor friend thought I should get the R14 which is stiffer based off their observation of my skiing, but they also tend to recommend our friends get overly stiff skis and boots to grow into when we might not be ready. The divas convinced me to go to the softer in comparison R13 Ti. These are 72 waist - I wanted lower but just wasn’t finding something that seemed quite right. I think this might be good for my progression since I’ve been using 82 waist Black Pearls for several years. And my chin is around 150cm so I hope the 156 length is close enough given your tip of no higher than the mouth.
 

edgy

Certified Ski Diva
My feeling, as always, is that demoing the ski is crucial. For me, anyway. I recall buying a ski once that the guy in the shop (and this was someone I knew well and trusted) said would be great for me. It was not - too stiff and quite terrifying. I've bought too-soft skis as well and hated those. Now, I get all the recommendations but refuse to buy until I try. This happened with the Stocklis (Laser MX?I have now. The guy at the shop said I would love them but I said I'll only buy after I try. I was then at an industry demo day and talked to the Stockli rep, saying i was interested in the skis but was unable to try them. She apparently talked to the guy at the shop who put bindings on their pair of 146s for me to try. Well, I did love them (bought in February 2025) and am still loving them.
Totally agree this seems like the best route. That’s awesome you were able to try what ended up being the skis for you before buying!

Unfortunately my little ski hill in Ohio has limited demo options. I asked them this past season if I could try some carving skis and the narrowest waist one (I know waist isn’t everything but for simplicity here) was 82. I’ve already been riding 82s for years. It’s bizarre how in Ohio with our tiny hills and limited snow people are still mostly drawn toward powder and wider all mountain skis, and they dominate our market. I am taking a risk but figure with the discount on a gently used demo pair off season it’s not a huge loss to me if they don’t work out. I’m optimistic though given the high reviews on this forum for this particular ski.
 

BlizzardBabe

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
I was looking at the Phoenix, but ended up opting for the Blizzard Thunderbird R14 CA Sport (160/76). I wanted a carver that was lighter weight and less demanding than my Stockli AS for those longer days where I'm working on technique the entire day. The Stockli's are wonderful, but they really get heavy in the afternoons . . .
 
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edgy

Certified Ski Diva
I was looking at the Phoenix, but ended up opting for the Blizzard Thunderbird R14 CA Sport (160/76). I wanted a carver that was lighter weight than my Stockli AS for those longer days where I'm working on technique the entire day. The Stockli's are wonderful, but they really get heavy in the afternoons . . .
Makes sense! How have you liked the Thunderbird R14 CA Sport?
 

BlizzardBabe

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
True that, @Jilly , but I think I recall reading that the Phoenix has a different mount point (1cm forward) and slightly different sidecut. I don't remember exactly, so I could be thinking of an earlier iteration of the Phoenix. I don't know if they've changed it since 2022.

I ordered them after the season @edgy. Like you, I'm just staring at them until snow flies!
 
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Divegirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I so agree with you @Divegirl. I have a BSc and Ti is Titanium. But we are I guess we're the oddity here. Ti stands for Titanal, which is mixed metal -

Titanal is a proprietary high-strength aluminum alloy developed by the Austrian manufacturer AMAG Austria Metall AG. Despite its marketing name, it contains zero titanium. Instead, it is composed of roughly 88.5% aluminum, 7% zinc, 2.5% magnesium, 1.7% copper, and a trace of zirconium
BS Chemistry. Titanal gives skis weight, dampness. Titanium is a light but very strong metal used in medical (DH has a titanium plate and screws in his wrist) and aerospace and other industries where strength and lightness are needed. I would suspect skiers would not like titanium in their skis - they would not get the dampness, weight they are looking for.

I do have a pair of Phoenix R13 Ti I never got to use last year due to knee issues. Hope to use them next year.
 

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