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Can a ski be too quick?

dartmoorskier

Certified Ski Diva
Is skiiing like riding? If you ride an arabian or a thoroughbred, they can be sharp, quick and responsive. A novice rider may get out of control. If an average skier were to try race skis, would they get out of control too?
 

IntheClouds

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Interesting comparison. Generally we match up riders/horses taking into consideration skill level & ability of rider with temperament & training of the horse. And then add in the component of what the activity will be. I think you could generally do that with skier, skis & what the skiing activity for the day will be. Remember that "average" riders do ride averag Arabians and Thoroughbreds. They just need to be matched up correctly. Riders progress, some horses are already at the top of their progression. Horses also progress, but may need a rider more skilled than the horse to continue the progression.

You aren't going to put a new rider, still developing balance (really important ), strength & skills on a horse trained for fast,quick moves, reactive to the slightest communication (thinking cow horse,cutting,reining here, or a contortionist speed jumper), you'd put them on one that requires a bit more encouragement or firmness so they don't end up on their butt unintentionally. One of those nice school horses that says "do you really mean that ? oh, ok then."
But there always comes the time when a rider needs the challenge of a different horse in order to progress in their skills. Or a variety that requires development of versatility. Like a short strided quick pony requires great fore/aft & lateral balance, quicker reactions for the shorter stride, than say a long strided Thoroughbred w/some lofty bounce requires subtle fluid riding.
 

Pequenita

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Is skiiing like riding? If you ride an arabian or a thoroughbred, they can be sharp, quick and responsive. A novice rider may get out of control. If an average skier were to try race skis, would they get out of control too?

I took a look at the old thread SkiDiva references and add my 2 cents:

Like the first poster in the other thread, I don't think a skier in skis "above" his or her level will get out of control in the skis because the skier will not be skilled enough to make the skis work effectively. But, I think what is more likely is that a skier in skis "above" his or her level may hit his or her stride, so to speak, with the above-level skis and whip around turns faster than he or she is accustomed to, which at speed can be a little crazy and out of control.

My personal example of this is when I took a pair of demo skis onto a blue ice of death steep one time. Now, maybe in the past I didn't have sharpened edges or didn't properly edge, so I expected to slide down the fall line (not a slip step or whatever it's called when you actually don't edge and make your skis "flat" along the slope) when I kinda traversed the slope. What happened next was completely unexpected, and it was only my lightening quick Spidey reflexes that kept me from flying into the trees (or over a cliff, but who's keeping track): the edges hung on tight and whipped me around a turn faster than I had anticipated....forcing me to execute a few more turns much faster than I had "planned" to. I'm pretty sure that this happened because I was skiing "up" to maximize the ski's potential; the effect is that I felt a little out of control for a few turns.

I don't think a novice skier is going to be able to do squat with an expert ski; experienced skiers who've been skiing skis below their level may have the ability to ski expert skis but may be unaccustomed to the effects of skiing such a ski and appear out of control. :fear:
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
If a new skier is on a ski that is beyond his/her ability, it can definitely stunt the growth of the skier skills.
 

IntheClouds

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
it was only my lightening quick Spidey reflexes that kept me from flying into the trees (or over a cliff, but who's keeping track): the edges hung on tight and whipped me around a turn faster than I had anticipated....forcing me to execute a few more turns much faster than I had "planned" to. I'm pretty sure that this happened because I was skiing "up" to maximize the ski's potential; the effect is that I felt a little out of control for a few turns.

I don't think a novice skier is going to be able to do squat with an expert ski; experienced skiers who've been skiing skis below their level may have the ability to ski expert skis but may be unaccustomed to the effects of skiing such a ski and appear out of control. :fear:

I agree the novice skier getting on an expert ski wouldnt help much. But there does come the time when you're ready to try out a better horse that has you rise to the challenge. And, it makes a better rider out of you. I think that's when you start adding to the stable, I mean quiver.
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Is skiiing like riding? If you ride an arabian or a thoroughbred, they can be sharp, quick and responsive. A novice rider may get out of control. If an average skier were to try race skis, would they get out of control too?

Yes, a ski can be too quick. Even expert skiers don't usually chose a full-on race ski as their everyday ski. These super-responsive skis are also super-demanding and require constant attention and precise movements. While that can be fun, it can also be exceedingly tiring.
2 years ago, I demoed several pairs of race skis. The Fisher GS skis were so powerful and demanding they actually scared me - not because I couldn't ski them, but because even the slightest mistake at the speeds they wanted to perform at would could have really hurt. I took them back after only 1 run :eek: .

An average skier on a race ski probably wouldn't get out of control simply because the precise movements needed to get race skis to perform correctly simply aren't in their repertoire. Instead, they would just be tired out and frustrated from trying to get them to perform. The difference between the horse/ski analogy is that the horse can also perform without input from the rider.
 

dartmoorskier

Certified Ski Diva
Thanks - the previous thread is very interesting and well explained. I prefer a softer ski but I thought I would have to have a stiffer ski to give more edge hold on packed/ice and to travel at more speed. It looks like I was wrong.
 

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