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Buying new boots...

cloudpeak

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I hate to do it, but I have to buy new boots this year. My old ones (Salomon XWave 9s) are on their last legs. I really hate buying new boots. The big toe and its neighbor on my right foot always give me trouble until a bootfitter gets the boot punched out correctly.

Although I'm probably going to stick with Salomon because the shape of these boots fits my feet the best of any I've tried, I can't decide what level of performance and flex to get. My old boots are pretty stiff, and I've considered going softer this time.

Although I like to ski mostly off piste, I enjoy the occasional groomer, too. I'd class myself as an advanced intermediate who maybe has one toe into advanced.

What are the Divas' thoughts on softer boots like the Mynx versus the Scarlet or at the extreme end of stiffness the Instinct 9?
 

abc

Banned
I know exactly how you feel! I nearly cried when my old boot broke. The thought of having to buy new boot and the lengthy (potentially painful) process terrified me! I remember when I got my last boot fitted finally, after several try, I was thinking "till death do us part"...
The only solution I had, was going back to the same boot fitter!!!

What are the Divas' thoughts on softer boots like the Mynx versus the Scarlet or at the extreme end of stiffness the Instinct 9?

"Softer" than the Scarlet? I thought the Scarlet is quite soft! (that's what I ended up having)

I guess I'm coming from the old timer's expectation. Boots are a lot more comfortable these days. And surprisingly, they seem to work just as well too! I guess the shaped skis make carving so much easier boots don't have to be super-tight? Whatever the reason, I seem to get a lot of feedback from the ski (through the not-so-overly-tight boot) nonetheless. So I don't even have to buckle them that hard any more. Much warmer and happier feet!

Oh yeah, get a custom footbed. End of story.
 

IntheClouds

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I skied in the Mynx most of last year, I like it, but was a bit wide in the forefoot for me. It definately has a soft flex, but I was also skiiing on a K2 True Luv so it worked well. I tried the Scarlet for about 5 minutes. Way to tall & tight around my skinny leg. The Mynx is shorter & below my calf muscle. My 07 boot is like SnowHot's. Pretty color of blue, but really confortable too. The Dalbello Krypton Storm, heat moldable liner, very very simple flex adjustment & a simple slip in forward lean adjustment system. Worth a look & try on.
 

Little Lightning

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
If you find them try the Head Dream Thang boot.

https://www.outdoordivas.com/outdoordiv/product.asp?s_id=0&dept_id=5636&pf_id=PAAAIAMBIOPNKOEB&

My boot fitter said that Head put a lot of R&D into these boots. Instead of a unisex last these shells are made on a woman's last.

I bought a pair of the DT 10's last spring on sale but haven't skied them. I couldn't believe how wonderful the fit is. They have an adjustable rear tongue that conforms to the ankle and calf area. I've never had a boot that fit my thin ankles up through my calf area. They also accomodate my high instep.

Saturday I'm going to get them fitted with my orthotics and boot heaters and am getting a Bio Stance fitting.

As far as stiffness is concerned, I'm 105 lbs and tend to buy upper end boots. I've found that the fit is much better and don't have problems with flexing the boot.

Kathi
 

cloudpeak

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Hmmm...

I'm 150 pounds and can definitely flex a stiffer boot. I'm wondering whether any of the bigger people have had good luck with a softer boot.
 

abc

Banned
My bootfitter didn't believe in stiff boots!

My first question was, isn't this boot kind of soft compare to my older boot?

His answer: "what do you think you're achieving with the stiff (forward flex) boots? Remember, the different flex is only in the for-aft direction, which is NOT where you control the skis" His point being, most boots are quite stiff laterally, which is where you NEED the stiffness.

Granted, I'm relatively light. Still, unless you're bottoming out the forward flex of the boot, I don't see the need to go stiffer. Since most boots have a "progressive" stiffness, they can probably easily tolerate a large range of skier weight.
 

Little Lightning

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
By stiffer do you mean higher performance? I buy boots by fit. For me I have to go to a higher performance boots because mid to lower end performance boots are often to wide. Only Lange and the Head Dream Thangs are narrow enough for my feet. I used to buy Technica but now I swim in them.

Manufactures tend to ignore the smaller women. I wear a size 22 and they are difficult to find. Some companies don't offer that size. Jr boots aren't an option because I have a high instep.

So, for me, it's all about fit, not flex.
 

cloudpeak

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
My bootfitter didn't believe in stiff boots!

My first question was, isn't this boot kind of soft compare to my older boot?

His answer: "what do you think you're achieving with the stiff (forward flex) boots? Remember, the different flex is only in the for-aft direction, which is NOT where you control the skis" His point being, most boots are quite stiff laterally, which is where you NEED the stiffness.

This is exactly why I'm considering some of the softer flexing boots. Although I can flex a stiffer boot, I'm not sure the stiffer fore/aft flex helps me ski better.
 

abc

Banned
Although I can flex a stiffer boot, I'm not sure the stiffer fore/aft flex helps me ski better.
That's why I'm such a big fan of custom foodbed. You get to edge the ski preciously with the footbed, not with overly stiff boots.

This is exactly why I'm considering some of the softer flexing boots
Within reason, that is.

I'm barely 120lb. and wear a size 7 street shoes. I found the Scarlet quite soft indeed. I come to like it but at first I was skeptical...

If you're a "power skier", you may not want to go too too soft. Ideally, for everything, skis, boots, you want to be in the middle of the designed range. But I do believe it's more important to be in as good a fit as you can find, with footbeds, than to be overly concerned with the flex. My guess is most boots have a fairly wide range to work with.

I'm not into reading numbers stamped on skis or boots, so I rely on my boot fitter to choose the right one for me. So far, I've been happy with their recomendation. That's why I don't go to anyone else but them. I'm sure there's good boot fitter near where you live. Take the time to find him/her and stick with it...
 

cloudpeak

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Luckily, I have a great custom footbed. I can't imagine skiing without one.

The reason I asked the question here about whether people are using softer flexing boots is because I visited the boot fitter today and he wanted to put me into the Salomon Instinct 9. :eek: I tried them on, and I must admit they fit really well.

I really respect this boot fitter (he's done great work for me in the past), but I started wondering whether something softer might be in order.
 

RachelV

Administrator
Staff member
I bought the Salomon Rush 9's 2 seasons ago and have been pretty happy with them -- I actually think these are the female version of the xwave's you're replacing. I don't think the Instinct's were out when I was boot shopping.

It sounds like we're similar in terms of ability, but I'm maybe 10-15lbs lighter. I've found the Rush boots to be fine -- not to stiff, not too soft. I never feel like I'm out-skiing them, which I felt ALL THE TIME the last season in my old boots. For me they just feel like a really good blance between performance and comfort... I feel like if I got a higher-end boot it'd start to get more uncomfortable, and I wouldn't be a good enough skier to take advantage of it.

The one issue I had with them was that they made my calves really sore until I really started making a point of stretching them (my calves ;), because the angle of the cuff is more forward than a lot of boots. Overall though I reccommend them.
 

sibhusky

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I bought boots by fit last year and ended up with a well-fitting boot that is more comfortable than any I've had in the past. They're well broken in now after 65 days during which time I did have to add an extra insole to compensate for some pack out. The last pair I skied, get this, 399 days in. The bootfitter was incredulous.

The one problem is that I feel that this boot I have now is really a bit too soft for me, but I have a wide calf with a narrow heel and it is pretty much impossible to find a boot that handles both. I even moved up the Head line a bit trying to get a better boot and although the fitter said he could fix a lot of the problems, I've always thought you should start out with a boot pretty close to right and not rely 100% on the fitter. Otherwise I'd have bought a Dalbello or Full Tilt because years ago I liked the Raichle Flexon, but apparently I had a different leg back then. They were totally wrong for my current foot.
 

Lori_K

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Well, here's my boot buying experience. It's a bit long and drawn out, but some things to think about, considering the boot I ended up buying.

I'd been skiing on a pair of Lange CRL70's for the past few years. A decent intermediate boot, and with footbeds and a little customizing they've been great as I've progressed in my skiing. But late this past season I noticed that they were getting packed out very quickly. I was tightening the buckles during the day, and wearing thicker socks to keep the boot snug. So I promised myself this season I would get new boots.

I'd already had an idea of what I wanted-- the Lange Freeride, in a 90 or 100 flex. I liked the fit of the CRL70, so figured I was a "Lange" foot. I was willing to keep an open mind, though, for whatever the bootfitter brought out. The hubby and I had the day off of work, so we went up to Taos and picked up our season passes and stopped at the boot fitters to see what they had in stock. Not all the new gear was in, but enough samples to try on.

The first boot was the Lange Exclusive 90, on my right foot. Felt ok, but a little pinchy across my instep. While another person is helping put my old footbeds into the Lange's, the boot fitter goes and brings back another boot to try on the left foot. This was the Technica Attiva Flame Ultrafit. This one felt a bit better-- no pinch points and a good snug fit. Plus, it felt a bit stiffer fore/aft than the Lange Ex. 90.

I was now outside of my known territory. I had already planned to get another Lange, and hadn't really researched the other manufacturers. So the Langes get put back in the box, and I now have both Technica boots on, with my own footbeds. Nice. A little roomy in the toebox, and the heel needs to get modified some (I have VERY narrow heels), but a good overall fit, and the flex felt about right.
For comparison, I had tried each of these boots against my "old" CRL70, and was surprised at how good the fit on my CRL70 was. I would have figured that a new boot should fit better (more snug), not worse, than my old boot. I told the boot fitter that I really wanted to like the new Langes, but they just didn't feel quite right. He commented that boot fitting should be done blindfolded, so you didn't know what brand you had on, you just go by how it fits.

So I'm standing there, just about ready to buy the Technica Attiva Flame. In one last chance, I ask the bootfitter, "Is there ANYthing else out there that I might be interested in, just for comparison?". He says, "You want to try something that's better, but not necessarily stiffer?". "Yes", I replied. He goes out and brings back a Salomon box. Takes a boot out and I put it on my left foot. WOW! I was completely wrapped, and I didn't even have my custom footbeds in. It was the best fitting boot right out of the box. I took off the Technicas, then put in my custom footbeds in the Salomons, and walked around with both boots on for a bit. Nice! Solid, snug fit all the way around, no pinch points. Flex is good. A little beefier than the Technica, but not unmanageable. I LIKED this boot, then I looked at the price tag. Ouch! The boot fitter saw my look, and he said, "There's a reason they cost more." I was willing to pay the price, though, because I knew that any future boot work was included, and it was at my home mountain, so it would be easy to pop in and out for future fittings. "Let's do it", I said, and we proceeded with the heat molding of the liners, and I walked around some more in my new boots.

Did you guess? I ended up buying the Salomon Instinct 9. Did I have any idea what type of boot this was when I bought it? Not really, all the boot fitter told me was that it was at the top of the women's boots for Salomon. Yeah, but so was the Technica...
So I came home this evening and tried to look up the Instinct 9 in my SKI buyer's guide. It wasn't listed! Well, that bothered me, so I looked it up on Salomon's web page, and the Instinct 9 is right up at the top, the only entry in their "race" category for women. I was surprised! I wouldn't have guessed that it was a race boot. (Not that I have any other race boots to compare it to!) All I knew was that the boot fit like a glove (?!) right out of the box.

I guess the point of this long saga is that the fit of the boot is most important, not what brand or model is on your foot. Usually I try to do all my homework before a major purchase, but in this case I hadn't. But was this a bad thing? I was in unknown territory, and I relied on the bootfitter and the fit of the boot to make a decision. Had I known the Instinct 9 was a race boot beforehand I might have not bought them, second guessing myself and my skills even though the boot fit was superb.

After checking some more reviews, I'm pretty sure I made the right choice. All I have to do now is try them out on the snow, and I can't wait to do that. I'll follow up again once I have some time in the boots!
 

Kiragirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I'm buying new boots (finally). Strange thing happened on Sunday--I went to a nice, expensive, well known shop in Armonk, NY and they had about 3 pair of boots in my size, 24.5 shell, (last years and new) which is a very common size! STRANGE.

I've luckily already been looking around at ski areas and a lot of shops, will go back to my first choice of Dalbello Aspire 80 (last year's model).

Any clues about the Dalbello Aspire 80 ?
 

pinto

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Well, here's my boot buying experience. It's a bit long and drawn out, but some things to think about, considering the boot I ended up buying.

I'd been skiing on a pair of Lange CRL70's for the past few years. A decent intermediate boot, and with footbeds and a little customizing they've been great as I've progressed in my skiing. But late this past season I noticed that they were getting packed out very quickly. I was tightening the buckles during the day, and wearing thicker socks to keep the boot snug. So I promised myself this season I would get new boots.

I'd already had an idea of what I wanted-- the Lange Freeride, in a 90 or 100 flex. I liked the fit of the CRL70, so figured I was a "Lange" foot. I was willing to keep an open mind, though, for whatever the bootfitter brought out. The hubby and I had the day off of work, so we went up to Taos and picked up our season passes and stopped at the boot fitters to see what they had in stock. Not all the new gear was in, but enough samples to try on.

The first boot was the Lange Exclusive 90, on my right foot. Felt ok, but a little pinchy across my instep. While another person is helping put my old footbeds into the Lange's, the boot fitter goes and brings back another boot to try on the left foot. This was the Technica Attiva Flame Ultrafit. This one felt a bit better-- no pinch points and a good snug fit. Plus, it felt a bit stiffer fore/aft than the Lange Ex. 90.

I was now outside of my known territory. I had already planned to get another Lange, and hadn't really researched the other manufacturers. So the Langes get put back in the box, and I now have both Technica boots on, with my own footbeds. Nice. A little roomy in the toebox, and the heel needs to get modified some (I have VERY narrow heels), but a good overall fit, and the flex felt about right.
For comparison, I had tried each of these boots against my "old" CRL70, and was surprised at how good the fit on my CRL70 was. I would have figured that a new boot should fit better (more snug), not worse, than my old boot. I told the boot fitter that I really wanted to like the new Langes, but they just didn't feel quite right. He commented that boot fitting should be done blindfolded, so you didn't know what brand you had on, you just go by how it fits.

So I'm standing there, just about ready to buy the Technica Attiva Flame. In one last chance, I ask the bootfitter, "Is there ANYthing else out there that I might be interested in, just for comparison?". He says, "You want to try something that's better, but not necessarily stiffer?". "Yes", I replied. He goes out and brings back a Salomon box. Takes a boot out and I put it on my left foot. WOW! I was completely wrapped, and I didn't even have my custom footbeds in. It was the best fitting boot right out of the box. I took off the Technicas, then put in my custom footbeds in the Salomons, and walked around with both boots on for a bit. Nice! Solid, snug fit all the way around, no pinch points. Flex is good. A little beefier than the Technica, but not unmanageable. I LIKED this boot, then I looked at the price tag. Ouch! The boot fitter saw my look, and he said, "There's a reason they cost more." I was willing to pay the price, though, because I knew that any future boot work was included, and it was at my home mountain, so it would be easy to pop in and out for future fittings. "Let's do it", I said, and we proceeded with the heat molding of the liners, and I walked around some more in my new boots.

Did you guess? I ended up buying the Salomon Instinct 9. Did I have any idea what type of boot this was when I bought it? Not really, all the boot fitter told me was that it was at the top of the women's boots for Salomon. Yeah, but so was the Technica...
So I came home this evening and tried to look up the Instinct 9 in my SKI buyer's guide. It wasn't listed! Well, that bothered me, so I looked it up on Salomon's web page, and the Instinct 9 is right up at the top, the only entry in their "race" category for women. I was surprised! I wouldn't have guessed that it was a race boot. (Not that I have any other race boots to compare it to!) All I knew was that the boot fit like a glove (?!) right out of the box.

I guess the point of this long saga is that the fit of the boot is most important, not what brand or model is on your foot. Usually I try to do all my homework before a major purchase, but in this case I hadn't. But was this a bad thing? I was in unknown territory, and I relied on the bootfitter and the fit of the boot to make a decision. Had I known the Instinct 9 was a race boot beforehand I might have not bought them, second guessing myself and my skills even though the boot fit was superb.

After checking some more reviews, I'm pretty sure I made the right choice. All I have to do now is try them out on the snow, and I can't wait to do that. I'll follow up again once I have some time in the boots!

Sounds like we have similar feet! I bought some CRL70s a few years back, but I returned them immediately. They fit great, but I could tell they were definitely not enough boot for me. (The salesman kept convincing me to buy them, and they did fit so nice ... so I bought them to shut him up and then returned the pair. Don't ask me why.)

And the Salomons I tried on this year felt amazing, too. I never found any Instincts, though.

But your point is the same that I made in the thread about "men's" boots: I knew that a very narrow boot with a high cuff was what I needed, but I also knew that it meant a men's race or semi-race boot, which I didn't think would work. Too stiff.

But once I tried it, aaaaaah! Now, I haven't yet skied it, but I'm no longer worried about it. I can flex them easily in the shop (yes, I know, it's warm). You can always soften a boot, if necessary, as well.
 

Lori_K

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
But once I tried it, aaaaaah! Now, I haven't yet skied it, but I'm no longer worried about it. I can flex them easily in the shop (yes, I know, it's warm). You can always soften a boot, if necessary, as well.

I was able to flex the Instinct 9 pretty easily, too. The boot fitter also said that the plastics in boots these days don't change as much with the heat/cold cycle as boots from a few years ago. So what you flex in the shop is closer to how it will feel in the snow.
 

cloudpeak

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Well, I bought the Salomon Instinct 9s yesterday. The shop is doing some canting work on them, and I'll pick them up next week. Then, I'll have to adjust the forward pressure on my ski bindings because the sole length on the new boots is a centimeter longer than the old boots.

Thanks to everyone who provided information on this thread! I appreciate it.

Now, we just need more snow. :smile:
 

Lori_K

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Great! You'll have to let us know what you think of the boots when you get some time in them.

I have to have my bindings adjusted as well for my new boots, except these are SHORTER than my old CRL70's!
 

Jilly

Moderator
Staff member
This is interesting. I've always skied in the Rossi/Lange family of boots. Last week at the Salomon PK I asked the rep about new boots for myself. He suggested I try the Instinct 9. The guys were all trying on the new Falcon. (No high end ladies boots in my buddy's store, not enough good women skiers in the area!) The rep said its basically the same material and concept as the men's in a women's fit. So now I have to try and find it to compare as I need new boots too. I am looking at the Rossi Xena 12, so we'll see.
 

Kiragirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
If it's of interest, I'm switching over to Salomon Rush 8. Put more $ down on them yesterday after trying on again. Great snug heel fit and flex.
 

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