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Avy Level 1- And, beware, personal problems rant.

oragejuice

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
OK. This post is partially informational, and partially explaining my current Facebook status (for the Divas who saw it and asked) and my very scary few minutes today.

The info! Take your Avalanche Level 1 course, if you haven't yet. It's the coolest bunch of information, for resort and backcountry skiers. They teach you about beacons (I'm thinking about starting to wear one when I'm skiing in bounds. They are light, and really incredibly effective, I'm quite a fan.) We did multiple practice burial scenarios with analog (sound only) and digital (lights and arrows to the buried beacon) beacons. Also, we learned about the parts of an avalanche, why and where they form, and all the aspects of one that you can think of. We went out and dug snow pits, and did full tests in several areas. It's totally fascinating, seeing the layers of snow, and how they form what we ski on, and why they can be dangerous. We even got into snow crystal types, with lenses and 1mm/2mm grid cards. WHOA. I feel like I am so much more in tune with how snow works, and I think it's rad. Even if you never plan on going backcountry, it's a wealth of information that will just help me to realize quite a bit more about weather and winter.

Now comes the venting and freaking out-ness. Today, we went out in the backcountry, with the intent to dig more pits, and do some more extensive, multi person burial scenarios. We hiked one of the many buttes in the area, elevation gain of just under 1000ft from road to summit, I believe. I went for snowshoes with ski boots, and my skis on my pack, intending to ski down from the top. I had a terrible time getting up everything today, due to my knee issues, and that part alone, makes me not want to BC ski much, unless there is another mode of transportation..... Heli anyone? :becky: Anyways. We split into three groups for the descent, ski, board, and snowshoe. My two closest friends in the class ended up in the snowboard group, even though one of them skis. I was with the ski group, because there were some beginners, and I figured that their route down would be a little more open (it was heavily gladed, the entire way up). After a few minutes of skiing, we caught up with the board group, and I decided to switch, to ski "more" as I was told they were going to. I started chasing them down another route, but they did not see, or hear me yelling, and zoomed off very fast. I followed their tracks, as it was too late to go the other direction, speedily trying to catch them... when I came to the TIGHTEST trees I've ever made it through on snow. It took me a good 20+ minutes to navigate these glades, as the tracks literally disappeared when I got there. Like... if you were walking up, you wouldnt have know people were there before you. I got extremely freaked out, because I didn't know which way to go. I couldn't ski, but I couldnt walk because it was extremely icy. So.... I sat for a while. Cried. Smacked things around. Took off my down jacket, and started hemming and hawing, backsliding, sideslipping, almost falling into tree wells and being really glad I had a helmet on, until I got to a place clear enough to get some turns in. I had no idea where I was, in relation to the parking lot, so I kept skiing. I found some ski tracks, and managed to follow them around, and found the snowmobile track that we had seen earlier, which goes to a snowpark down the hill from where we had parked. Ended up following it all the way out to the highway, and then hiking up to my car. Those two friends of mine? Didn't ask if I was ok, didn't even say bye... I'm a little bitter about that.

I'm overreacting a little bit, I knew the general direction I needed to go.... but still woodshock hit pretty fast. Thoughts of having to stay out there all night, or breaking my leg or something... Ahhh! Moral of the story.... I'm NOT going backcountry skiing with those two, probably ever, unless I've got my own snowmobile to get around on, and I'm not skiing glades unless there is a foot of fresh. :doh:
 

Robyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Wow, I'd have been freaked out as well so no need to worry about that part. You are right to be peeved with your friends for not being concerned as to where you disappeared to. One of the key parts of backcountry skiing is to have a good idea as to where your partners are. I'm also concerned that those leading this class weren't taking headcounts regularly to make sure they didn't loose someone.

Anyhow, I'm very glad you're okay and hope that you take all the lessons you learned over the couple of days and put them to good use on and off the mountain. :smile:
 

Jenny

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Boy, you're really having a rough couple of weeks aren't you?

I can't even begin to imagine how you felt out there, but am glad you managed to get out safely. Was the instructor even around when you got back out?

And give your "friends" some big-time crap, too.

(Cliche time) - Chin up, it'll get better!
 

whitewater girl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
wow - glad you're OK! :hug:

...my outdoor adventure freak-out (wake-up call?) happened in the summer - can't imagine what it would have been like in winter :eek: (solo day-hike in the Adirondacks on what I was told would be a semi-groomed trail - it wasn't & I was too stubborn to turn around as I realized it :doh: almost got benighted with no gear or food, little water & nothing warm to put on...head out better prepared these days :rolleyes:...as they say, experience is the best teacher!)

Avy class sounds awesome! I've read up on using beacons & digging pits, but sounds like one of those things there's just no substitute for doing it! Not sure how useful I would be, but sounds like you'd be someone I'd love to have along backcountry...don't worry; if your friends from class ended up being lame, there are plenty of people out there to ski/board with who aren't that way!

...sounds like a night to treat yourself to something nice...
 

Severine

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
That definitely sounds like a scary (though informational) day. Glad you got through it! Now you're armed with all that knowledge so that when you do find some friends who won't flake on you, you'll be able to take advantage of it in the BC. :hug:
 

ski now work later

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
With friends like that, who needs enemies? That sounds awful OJ. Ice that knee and have some chamomile tea. I'm glad you survived the ordeal.
 

alta_gal83

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I'd freak out if I were in that situation too .... I'm not a fan of skiing alone, and with all the weird conditions and deaths this year, I'm even more hesitant to do so.

Your friends need a heads up. They need to know that it is NOT OK to do what they did. Even though i'm not a BC diva, I'd imagine that you'd have to fully trust your BC partners. These "friends" do not sound worthy.
 

tradygirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Sounds like you got a good taste of what it's like out there. It's the kind of stuff you learn about as you get more experience. Don't lose heart - it takes a lot of suffering and tears to get your backcountry chops.

Best advice I can give is to find an excellent mentor - someone with a lot of experience who can show you the ropes. Don't dive in too deep too soon or you'll end up hating every minute of it. And get some skins and AT bindings....snowshoes will eat you alive.

Remember all the scary things you learned in Avy 1 - that healthy fear will help you make a wise decision at some point.
 

bklyn

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
You need solid partners. Anyone who is not concerned when you do not show up as expected... is not a good candidate.

Don't give up, there are plenty of good people to ski with in those situations, you just need to find them.
 

Shellski

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Very poor form from your companions. Don't beat yourself up about your reaction, it's entirely natural.
 

SkiNurse

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Grrrrrr. :mad2:

I'm appalled.
 

skimomma24

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I agree with the others. I'd be right pissed at my friends if they did that to me. Sounds like you should find more reliable ski partners! I also agree that the group leaders should have been a little more aware of group numbers (headcounts), and should have been on the lookout for you at the bottom!

Glad you made it down in one piece, hope you treated your knee and yourself last night!
 

Kano

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Your afternoon sounds no fun at all, OJ, but hey, YOU DID IT!!

I know things have been going less than swimmingly lately, but I just have to ask the tough question.

After a few minutes of skiing, we caught up with the board group, and I decided to switch, to ski "more" as I was told they were going to. I started chasing them down another route, but they did not see, or hear me yelling, and zoomed off very fast.

I can't tell for sure if THEY knew you were joining them? It sounds to me like maybe they took off and you decided to follow, calling to them to let them know, rather than making sure they knew you were joining them before they got going?


I got extremely freaked out, because I didn't know which way to go. I couldn't ski, but I couldnt walk because it was extremely icy. So.... I sat for a while. Cried. Smacked things around.

Sometimes a good tantrum is just what we need! Gotta let the frustration go so we can do this part:

(now if DH would just get this)

Took off my down jacket, and started hemming and hawing, backsliding, sideslipping, almost falling into tree wells and being really glad I had a helmet on, until I got to a place clear enough to get some turns in.

Good girl! There are times, even in bounds, when we get into things that are over our heads, and we have to solve the challenge of getting safely out of trouble any way we can!


Those two friends of mine? Didn't ask if I was ok, didn't even say bye... I'm a little bitter about that.

Yup, be a little bitter -- and where's the instructor when you got back? Even if everyone thought you were with someone else, if you didn't show up with "the other group" both groups that you weren't with after all AND the instructor should have been at least waiting to see, if not giving serious thought to searching for you, depending on how long they'd been down already. Were the "friends" at least still around to know you got out, even though they didn't say g'bye?

I'm overreacting a little bit, I knew the general direction I needed to go.... but still woodshock hit pretty fast. Thoughts of having to stay out there all night, or breaking my leg or something...

I know JUST what you're saying here -- DH and I had one of those scary challenge situations this weekend. It can be SO hard to keep your head together and figure a way out of it...

On another note --

You didn't say, but along with your new avalanche beacon, carry a radio! While having the radio with me is annoying sometimes, I'm REALLY glad it was in my pocket on Sunday. We were skiing in pretty thick fog, and it helped when DH got out of sight (a mere 50 yards away) and if we hadn't been able to solve our tree/steep terrain predicament a little while later, the radios would have been handy for getting help too.

Karen in Boise
 

CAdreaming

Certified Ski Diva
:mad2:
Yeah. They are not your friends. What they did was terrible.
I agree with you. You shouldn't BC ski with them anymore.
 

oragejuice

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I know things have been going less than swimmingly lately, but I just have to ask the tough question.

I can't tell for sure if THEY knew you were joining them? It sounds to me like maybe they took off and you decided to follow, calling to them to let them know, rather than making sure they knew you were joining them before they got going?

No, they didn't know I was there. But by the time I had lost them, it was too late to go back and catch the other group. I literally dropped in right after they did, I saw them, and yelled... and could have sworn they saw me. They should have heard me. So yeah, some of it was my fault, I'll admit that. But the experience sucked either way.
 

abc

Banned
Sounds like you got a good taste of what it's like out there. It's the kind of stuff you learn about as you get more experience. Don't lose heart - it takes a lot of suffering and tears to get your backcountry chops.
I think that's the right way of looking at it. There's a saying, I don't know by whom...

"Good judgement comes from... experience.
Experience comes from... BAD judgement!!!"
 

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