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Affordable ski towns

Amie H

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Yeah it's just so weird though that the rest of the world has discovered WA.
My daughter moved to the Seattle area this year. I've often thought about visiting her, go skiing all day while she works, then crashing at her apartment but honestly, the congestion/parking issues you WA area skiers have described in this forum over the past few years has scared me off!

I am visiting her next week, and supposedly she has a "challenging" hike in store for me.
 

Amie H

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@Pequenita from experience and per the Northern NV realtors I follow online, Carson City (and Minton, Virginia City, etc) is a different vibe than Reno or Tahoe BUT it is more affordable. I hiked with a nice retired teacher who bought a home there and really loves it. Carson Hot Springs & it's cafe/brewpub next door is FANTASTIC.
 

Amie H

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OH! I thought of another area, though unsure of tax implications:

Southern Utah: Cedar City (very near Brian Head which is a GREAT place to ski w kids and has affordable prices - I just skied there in April and thought it's IDEAL for families.)

Or St. George, UT (larger town) if you don't mind driving to ski.
 

NWSkiGirl

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I'd say take a good look at Duluth, then. It's often referred to as "San Francisco of the Midwest" for both it's waterside location and it's culture/vibe.

It's also a location frequently recommended for "climate refugess." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/realestate/duluth-minnesota-climate-change.html

Note that the "bigger" ski areas (Lutsen, The areas of the western UP, Porkies) are a few hours away, but some famiiy-friendly smaller hills close by (Mt Ashawabay. Spirit)
Oh, awesome! Thanks. I do like the idea of fall leaves. I assume I'd get them in MN!
 

NWSkiGirl

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I've never skied there - only driven through on my way to Winthrop for a backcountry skiing course (which was then another couple miles out the closed highway on a snowmobile). Everyone in town knew my name after 2 days! Lol. And to be honest, I was only there for a long weekend a dozen years ago, and I'm sure things have changed. But I remember it being a really lovely area and the rural vibe reminded me of Vermont (with bigger mountains).
Wow! I can't imagine a town so small people know your name. Winthrop is - I love the photo of a deer right in town. Definitely a very western vibe, though!
 

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NWSkiGirl

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I'd say, just start spending more time up there. If you need hotel or rental or campground recommendations just ask--I've stayed in so many. I've been going there most of my life. It's the only 4 season recreation destination in WA but you can't discount the impact of fires. 75% of the Pasayten wilderness, the huge area to the north, has burned. You can't get homeowner's insurance in some spots. The impact of tech money has been huge. But still, the area is very compelling. We keep an eye on real estate there.

I've skied Loup Loup. It's old school, one lift, and it's a non-profit. It seems to have a nice sense of community. In no way is it like a resort. It's not even in the Cascades, it's in the Okanogan Highlands and so doesn't get a ton of snow or have great scenery. I like it but old school means, if there's no snow, there's no snow. They don't make it. Go up this winter and try it.
Great idea! Thank you for that offer. I'd love 4 seasons! But wow so sad about the fires. And tech.

I don't think one ski lift is going to cut it! Maybe for a few years while baby is still very tiny, though. I don't have the same passion for cross country skiing, but I guess there's always that.

But yes, I think an trip is in order! :-)
 

NWSkiGirl

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Yeah it's just so weird though that the rest of the world has discovered WA. When I was growing up the only tourists that came to WA were people that camped in national parks. Even 10 years ago it seemed like only people from WA went to Leavenworth. Now we have industrial tourism via the cruise ships, everyone is traveling, and tourists from all over country go there. It's just part of how much everyone travels and gets outside I guess. The Enchantments are the second most in-demand hiking permit in the county now and the area is full of internet-famous hikes. SARs are through the roof. Boo.
I moved here in 2012 and yes everything was so different then! All the ski resorts were different too...
 

NWSkiGirl

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Even Reno/Sparks real estate has gone way up from what it was a mere 5-10 years ago when it was SUPER affordable. I still regret not buying a property I saw in 2011-ish. However, with the additional cost, there are more amenities, new schools being built, new highway projects, etc. A tradeoff. Tahoe-proper in summer (and on powder days!) is wild to drive (or attempt to drive) around. SO congested!

More ideas:

Missoula, MT: my college friend lived there and he and his wife really enjoyed it (they were previously in Portland, OR.) It's a university town, so all the hip restaurants, bars, etc you'd care to enjoy plus community ski hill. However, median home price is high-ish in the $500k's.

Coeur D'Alene, ID housing has also gone through the roof price-wise, median prices in similar range to Reno, Missoula, etc. Lots of natural beauty, great skiing nearby. None of the tax benefits of WA or NV, though. My boss' daughter is raising her family there and they love it and are very active outdoorsy people, and they like the community very well.

I'm not sure, though, if OP is looking for a really small town or a larger town/small city/suburb type of setting?
I've considered Missoula! Would Bozeman or Whitefish be better though?

I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I could go small town in a beautiful setting or affordable suburb with lots of parks. I know I don't want to live in a big city with little greenery.

Is Coeur D'Alene religious and conservative? Do you know what resort they ski there? Yes, the taxes there may be an issue. I am all for paying income tax, but it would be a shrink in salary since I haven't been paying it for over 10 years.
 

NWSkiGirl

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OH! I thought of another area, though unsure of tax implications:

Southern Utah: Cedar City (very near Brian Head which is a GREAT place to ski w kids and has affordable prices - I just skied there in April and thought it's IDEAL for families.)

Or St. George, UT (larger town) if you don't mind driving to ski.
Thank you for those! :smile: Will look into them.
 

NWSkiGirl

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My daughter moved to the Seattle area this year. I've often thought about visiting her, go skiing all day while she works, then crashing at her apartment but honestly, the congestion/parking issues you WA area skiers have described in this forum over the past few years has scared me off!

I am visiting her next week, and supposedly she has a "challenging" hike in store for me.
You would be fine skiing on a weekday anywhere, I think! Otherwise yes you may even have to make a parking reservation and the prices are so high.

Crystal is such a lovely resort. I hope you have the opportunity to ski there and see the views of Rainier at the top. Despite everything I just love it! :clap:

The hiking is awesome and uncomplicated, at least, though!
 

MissySki

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I've considered Missoula! Would Bozeman or Whitefish be better though?

I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I could go small town in a beautiful setting or affordable suburb with lots of parks. I know I don't want to live in a big city with little greenery.

Is Coeur D'Alene religious and conservative? Do you know what resort they ski there? Yes, the taxes there may be an issue. I am all for paying income tax, but it would be a shrink in salary since I haven't been paying it for over 10 years.
From what I’ve seen of Bozeman, prices have skyrocketed there as well post Covid. I take a look every once and awhile since I’ve been working remote since 2020 haha.
 

Pequenita

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@NWSkiGirl , I think almost all of the smaller western towns that are close to skiing have similar issues now: (1) skyrocketing housing prices, to the point where locals and service industry folks are having a tough time finding housing, and (2) increased fire risk, such that many insurance companies are dropping coverage for existing homeowners, and homeowners are self-insuring. The insurance drops make it tough for normal people to rationalize buying/keeping a place in the mountains.

Re: political leanings of a place, a somewhat unexpected metric that I was able to use to when I was moving out west in late 2015 and looking for a place to live was campaign signs in people's lawns and bumper stickers on cars.
 

NWSkiGirl

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@NWSkiGirl , I think almost all of the smaller western towns that are close to skiing have similar issues now: (1) skyrocketing housing prices, to the point where locals and service industry folks are having a tough time finding housing, and (2) increased fire risk, such that many insurance companies are dropping coverage for existing homeowners, and homeowners are self-insuring. The insurance drops make it tough for normal people to rationalize buying/keeping a place in the mountains.

Re: political leanings of a place, a somewhat unexpected metric that I was able to use to when I was moving out west in late 2015 and looking for a place to live was campaign signs in people's lawns and bumper stickers on cars.
Yes! It's so sad. I wasn't aware of the insurance issues. I wouldn't feel comfortable with that!

I think I'm just afraid of going to a small town where people have strange backward views, if that makes sense. That's why tourist towns can be good, I think. You get an influx of different views to balance that out.

Thanks for the heads up on the campaign signs! I hadn't thought of that.
 

sibhusky

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I've considered Missoula! Would Bozeman or Whitefish be better though?

I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I could go small town in a beautiful setting or affordable suburb with lots of parks. I know I don't want to live in a big city with little greenery.

Is Coeur D'Alene religious and conservative? Do you know what resort they ski there? Yes, the taxes there may be an issue. I am all for paying income tax, but it would be a shrink in salary since I haven't been paying it for over 10 years.
Re Whitefish. Our median housing makes Missoula look really cheap. (My assessed value is up 61% since the assessment 2 years ago, which is less than my zEstimate increase. My immediate neighbors are up 70% and 80%, however, in just 2 years, so I'm not complaining. Needless to say, people are up in arms and we haven't even seen the actual tax bills yet.) However, Kalispell and Columbia Falls, the next towns south and east, are not as bad. Columbia Falls is more "up and coming", in a transitional phase, than Kalispell.

As for politics, Whitefish itself is a blue island in a sea of red. I remember when I moved from NJ, I thought the blue was more like NJ red, tho.

The whole Flathead valley has seen a HUGE influx of people in the last three years and pretty much everyone is upset by the rate of growth. Housing is a huge issue and there are now major homeless tensions down in Kalispell. Several hotels that used to have monthly rates have closed, short term rentals have taken over almost all the rental housing, and the building of apartment buildings isn't moving fast enough. It's almost impossible to even get contractors to return a call and there are numerous reports of contractor scams because it's a feeding frenzy.

In short, you might want to look at some other region. That TV show, Yellowstone, has not done the inhabitants any favors. When I moved here 20 years back, I was irritated at all the locals quizzing you about where you were from and going on about their "native-less", but that was nothing like it is now. (I'd never seen that back East, where by the way, people's families came over on the Mayflower or whatever, they weren't there a mere century. No one ever did this "I'm more (insert state) than you".) Here they go from zero to 60 about newcomers these days. At 20 years I'm just starting to not be a total invader.

I'm trying to think where in the state might be better, but I've seen articles about pretty much every town in the state worth being in.

As for fire issues, that's an active worry for us. We just didn't realize when we first came how much of an issue it is, even though that year I couldn't see across my driveway at one point due to smoke. I am very much in a house that is at risk. My husband worries continually about it. Especially with that Paradise fire a few years ago any complacency is long gone, and now our local Paradise (about 90 minutes away) is totally surrounded and 15 homes lost. We don't have AC nor the ducts to easily install it, so every year there's a few weeks where the choice to open windows at night for cooling vs. keeping them closed to keep the smoke out is a bedtime question.
 
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Christy

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I was trying to avoid getting what could be construed as political, but since we've kinda gone there....you are of reproductive age and if you end up in a place like Idaho and Montana, you could find yourself unable to get lifesaving care if it has anything to do with your reproductive parts. Make sure where ever you go, you can get health care--like, is there an Ob-gyn that is accepting new patients? I keep reading about Ob-Gyns leaving places like ID where laws have been passed that could put them in jail for providing what other states just call health care.

When I moved here 20 years back, I was irritated at all the locals quizzing you about where you were from and going on about their "native-less", but that was nothing like it is now.

I've heard about the current animosity. Here in Seattle, where we've had such growing pains, we still end up liking our new neighbors and not holding the move against them, and it takes them about 5 minutes to want to pull up the drawbridge behind THEM. And as much as we complain about all the new young tech workers, the way they've embraced everything about the city...it's really quite sweet.
 

sibhusky

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Article about housing here:
 

Christy

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Why not Bellingham? Okay, it's an hour+ to Baker, but culturally it's West Coast, you've got all the good stuff about western WA for those months of the year when you can't ski. It's big enough to have the kind of services most people living in cities expect, but it's cheaper than Seattle, and much smaller...so close to all that great North Cascades hiking plus Vancouver is so close.
 

Christy

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My daughter moved to the Seattle area this year. I've often thought about visiting her, go skiing all day while she works, then crashing at her apartment but honestly, the congestion/parking issues you WA area skiers have described in this forum over the past few years has scared me off!

If you go on weekdays (not Fridays, no one works Fridays anymore) you should be fine. Crystal has really gotten things under control so you are fine there. If you have IKON you have Snoqualmie only an hour away and on weekdays, it's pretty quiet except for a powder day at Alpental--that will be busy. Stevens has vastly improved things and my husband will go on weekends, early, and he has a good time.

You do want to pay attention to forecasts. In the Rocky Mts when conditions are considered poor, you still have sun and its hardpack that many people are fine skiing. When conditions are poor here it's because the snow level has risen and there might be rain or at least a lot of wet heavy snow. When it's good it's amazing, but when it's poor, it's not worth it IMO.

What challenging hike are you doing? Hopefully the smoke clears up.
 

geargrrl

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I've considered Missoula! Would Bozeman or Whitefish be better though?

I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I could go small town in a beautiful setting or affordable suburb with lots of parks. I know I don't want to live in a big city with little greenery.

Is Coeur D'Alene religious and conservative? Do you know what resort they ski there? Yes, the taxes there may be an issue. I am all for paying income tax, but it would be a shrink in salary since I haven't been paying it for over 10 years.
Missoula, Bozeman, Whitefish are all on the "unaffordable housing please don't move here" trajectory.
I live next door to Coeur d'Alene in Spokane.
One of the reasons we chose Spokane is five ski areas within 100 miles. Schweitzer, Silver Mountain, Lookout Pass, 49 North and Mount Spokane. Mount Spokane is 33 miles, Silver Mt/49 about 70, Schweitzer 90, Lookout Pass 99. British Columbia is 2.5 hours north and gives you access to the Powder Triangle. Mt Spokane also has one of the nation's largest Nordic. areas at 70 miles of trails. Mt Spokane is also my "home" mountain. It is an affordable non-profit area. It's very successful and a great place for kids. My hub was on the ski patrol there for 27 years. It has the largest all volunteer patrol in the nation and is also a great family environment. Many people join for the perk (family passes) and stay for the vibe.

The political climate here is mixed, especially in CDA. There are realtors there who advertise nationally to specifically appeal to ultra conservatives and white nationalists. The school and other boards are a mess. I honestly don't know how my my liberal friends can stand to live there but they stay to fight the uphill battle and vote. My friend owns a business in downtown CDA and has a "Loves Live Here" anti-hate sticker on the the front door. Live ammo and bags of s**t have been left on their doorstep. As I say, they stay to fight back and vote as it's their home too and they refuse to be intimidated. Please note, this is not heresay, this is my friend who owns a shop.

That being said, CDA is the same community that bankrupted the Aryan Nations in the 90's, burnt the complex down and built the Kootenai Human Rights Commission on top of the ashes. Complicated.

I live down the road in Spokane, 32 mile to the west in Washington state. We are all part of the same metro area but certainly it is a different place. I have lived here for 30+ years, moved from CA. Certainly, any time you move inland from the coast it will get more conservative. Spokane is considered a blue blob in a red area as most of eastern WA is rural and conservative. It's a good mix although I would like the region to turn more blue as a whole. WA does not have income tax. City population is still small and we have beautiful parks designed by Olmstead Brothers and a river running through the city center complete with huge waterfall.

Original question was affordable. I think on the scale of affordable housing and skiing, we are definitely in the game still. Weekday tickets at some of our ski areas can still be had for $50. Season passes are sub $1K at several of them. The snow is pretty darn good in the mountains up here. Ask more if you want. Look up house prices. No one says, "please don't move here".
 
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