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2006 Volkl Racetiger GS Racestock 180cm

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Early this spring, I picked up a pair of Racetigers from one of the Nastar pacesetters. I finally got to try them out today! I've previously been racing on a 'cheater' ski - the Volkl P60 GC Motion 173cm with an 18 meter radius. The Racetigers are a true racestock ski with a >21 meter radius and the World Cup race plate. They're also the longest ski I've ever raced on. I have to admit I was a little afraid of them on the first run and expected them to ski away without me :o .

Conditions: 40+ degrees (again), 6" of corn snow just beginning to turn to slush. The course got rutted, bermed, and really ugly really fast. It was a very turny, very offset course as well. The first 3 gates are on a fairly steep headwall and got scraped down to ice after the 1st run.

The race: My first run was very tentative to start - it was my first race this year, my first race on these skis, and only the 2nd time I'd ever been on them. Plus, everyone at the start was talking about how bumpy the course was and how many people had crashed or blown out...that was a major head trip for me!! As I cleared those 1st ugly gates, I realized that the skis were hooking up and actually carving on every gate despite a huge amount of pilot error. I settled down on the flats and began to get comfortable, just letting them work from turn to turn. At the lower headwall, I almost tried to hit the brakes and force them to the next wide offset, then caught myself and trusted them to make the turn - they did just that. My 2nd, 3rd, and 4th runs were much faster (a full second), and were very consistent (within .2 seconds of each other).

Impressions: I found them to be incredibly easy to ski (for a full blown race ski) and very tolerant of technique mistakes. I was surprised at just how tight an arc they would make while still continuing to carve no matter how rutted or bumpy the course became. Not once did I ever feel that they were going to break loose, bounce out of the course, run away from me, or force me to a speed where I wasn't comfortable. Nor did they ever seem to have a speed limit (probably through my own error, not theirs :rolleyes: ). I guess I would have to compare them to a very well-trained Golden Retriever - well behaved and eager to please, instantly responding to the trainers commands, yet still spunky and playful. (wow, did I just say playful when discussing a race ski?? :eek: )

Other GS race skis I demoed last year:
Fisher RC4 World Cup - 1 run and I took them back. A very precise and demanding ski with no forgiveness for error.
Atomic GS11 - A fast and very stiff ski. Somewhat forgiving. It dives into turns but requires lots of tail pressure to finish the turn.
Rossignol 9X Oversize - A very damp, very noodly (soft) ski with no zip or pop out of the turn. Very forgiving but just doesn't feel fast.
Dynastar Speed 66 - A very quick, snappy, playful ski. It feels fast, but just didn't fit my more laid-back style.
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Day 2 update

We finally got enough snow cover to be able to take my new babies out on the race course again last night.

I just gotta say Wow! While I don't know that they are making me any faster, I have to say it was probably the cleanest 2 runs I've ever had. They just make carving around (and through :o ) the gates so very, very easy. They were quick to respond to input, yet not twitchy or unforgiving of mistakes. Conditions last night were 35 degrees and cooling with real "packed powder" snow!

These are the first race skis I've ever been on where I actually wanted to make free skiing runs! All the struggling I've been going through this yeat - gone. Again, Wow!!
 

liquidfeet

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
volklgirl said:
Early this spring, I picked up a pair of Racetigers from one of the Nastar pacesetters. I finally got to try them out today! I've previously been racing on a 'cheater' ski - the Volkl P60 GC Motion 173cm with an 18 meter radius. The Racetigers are a true racestock ski with a >21 meter radius and the World Cup race plate. They're also the longest ski I've ever raced on. I have to admit I was a little afraid of them on the first run and expected them to ski away without me :o .

The race: My first run was very tentative to start - it was my first race this year, my first race on these skis, and only the 2nd time I'd ever been on them. Plus, everyone at the start was talking about how bumpy the course was and how many people had crashed or blown out...that was a major head trip for me!! As I cleared those 1st ugly gates, I realized that the skis were hooking up and actually carving on every gate despite a huge amount of pilot error. I settled down on the flats and began to get comfortable, just letting them work from turn to turn. At the lower headwall, I almost tried to hit the brakes and force them to the next wide offset, then caught myself and trusted them to make the turn - they did just that. My 2nd, 3rd, and 4th runs were much faster (a full second), and were very consistent (within .2 seconds of each other).

Impressions: I found them to be incredibly easy to ski (for a full blown race ski) and very tolerant of technique mistakes. I was surprised at just how tight an arc they would make while still continuing to carve no matter how rutted or bumpy the course became. Not once did I ever feel that they were going to break loose, bounce out of the course, run away from me, or force me to a speed where I wasn't comfortable. Nor did they ever seem to have a speed limit (probably through my own error, not theirs :rolleyes: ). I guess I would have to compare them to a very well-trained Golden Retriever - well behaved and eager to please, instantly responding to the trainers commands, yet still spunky and playful. (wow, did I just say playful when discussing a race ski?? :eek: )

So, to what property(s) do you attrribute this ski's hold on the ice? Was it torsional rigidity? Longitudinal flex or lack thereof? Edge/base bevel? Other? Or can you tell?

I am really interested in figuring out what, other than pilot skill, keeps a ski from skidding out. People have told me NOT to buy race skis, by the way. Do you ski race skis any time other than in the course (whoops, another question.)
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Hmmmm...I guess I would attribute it thusly:

Torsional rigidity keeps them firmly on edge, the somewhat soft flex keeps them decambered under foot, the even flex pattern keeps the tail from squirting them out from under me, the Piston binding quites and vibration that may cause them to kick out, and the 3* edge bevel gives them bite.

As far as skiing race skis other places, my P60 SL race stock is my favorite every day go-to ski for the groomer on our little hill, and I've found to my great surprise that there's no where I can't take my Racetigers, including crud and fluff (although I have no desire to take them into any bumps :p ).

Definitely try some race skis....I think you'll be pleasantly surprised (and you can tell all the nay-sayers to kiss your a** :D )
 

liquidfeet

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I really appreciate the info. All that makes sense. I got a 3 degree side bevel put on the Blizzards, and I sure could tell the difference today. Now I know EXACTLY where my inside ski is. I can feel it grabbing the snow, whereas before it just slid along without doing anything. Also, any skidding out I did tonight was clearly my own fault, because that sharp pointy edge sure wants to grip. Nice, nice.

I'm going to demo some Atomic LTs on Friday. And the Attiva 5*s, because the sales guy was really pushing them. Do you know anything about these Attivas?
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I just love that 3* side bevel, don't you?

Niiiice work on getting another 20-something!!! We had bullet proof ice tonight so our "big hill" raced got moved back to our usual hill, and I still sucked!

Not a big fan of the Atomics so far....I find their tails to be very stiff and demanding, and they tend to launch me out of turns getting me off balance and late....but I haven't tried the LT yet. The Attiva 5* should ski like a beefier version of your "Pink Stars", aka the Gamma 4*. I loved my unisex 5* (skiing and racing) until I skied the much more demanding 6*, then I found it was not enough ski for me. After much demoing, I've found that I tend to underestimate my ability and need for a beefier and longer ski. Finally deciding to try a true race ski has turned out to be an eye-opening experience.....I am "truly, madly, deeply" in love with my Racetigers now.
 

SnowHot

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Angel Diva
Kris, I skied at Caberfae with the school kids for about an hour today. Like a downhill ice rink:eek:

Was Crystal much better?
 

liquidfeet

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
volklgirl said:
I just love that 3* side bevel, don't you?

Not a big fan of the Atomics so far....I find their tails to be very stiff and demanding, and they tend to launch me out of turns getting me off balance and late....but I haven't tried the LT yet. The Attiva 5* should ski like a beefier version of your "Pink Stars", aka the Gamma 4*. Finally deciding to try a true race ski has turned out to be an eye-opening experience.....I am "truly, madly, deeply" in love with my Racetigers now.

Great advice. It's good to hear that a Platinum racer gets launched by Atomics tails ... that puts some perspective on those skis. I want to try lots of skis that are "too much" for me as well as some that are beneath my skills.

I will try the Racetigers, and the LTs is because a former Canadian ski team member (woman) who has taught me a lesson (great!!!) uses them and suggested I try them. I'll watch out for launching behavior. Hopefully tomorrow that will work out, and the snow will be skied off so I can see how they do on the hard stuff. Funny, hoping for no snow!
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
SnowHot said:
Kris, I skied at Caberfae with the school kids for about an hour today. Like a downhill ice rink:eek:

Was Crystal much better?

Nope. It was an absolute skating rink. You couldn't even get your poles to dig in to push up to the chair. Even our pacesetter skidded around a few gates :D . It was so bad, the place was mostly empty except the bars and restaurants....they were packed!!.
 

liquidfeet

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Posters on this thread,

I have been putzing about trying to figure out what skis to get to replace my Volkl pink-stars for some time. The deed is done, and I want to share the news.

I bought the Atomics that my friend could not ski, that the boyz in my ski club told me I could not bend, the skis that I was afraid of. They are hardly used, four years old, and labelled on the front B4, S11-20, BetaRides, Titanium. They are screaming orange, 160 cm long, and have a 16m turn radius.

Wow. Skied them all day today. It's like I've been driving a Ford Escort over rought unpaved terrain at high speeds, and now I'm driving a Hummer. Really. I am in seventh heaven. Thrilled. Stunned. Confident. Fearless. Ecstatic. Grateful. Happy. Did I say thrilled?

I sailed at mach schnell down the trails today, pretending I was downhill racing, all day today, never once fearing that my skis might hit some anomaly beneath them and deflect. I knew they would stay pointed where I pointed them, and hold their carve. They are boards, not twigs. Then I did fast turns, medium turns, and took my race class and the boards held on the skied-off stuff. I never ever never knew a ski could make such a difference.

So much for what the boyz told me.
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
That's awesome....I'm sooo excited for you!:D :D

Just goes to show you how important demoing is. Only YOU can decide on the best ski for you.
 

volklgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
New Conditions Update

Last night we had 12-18" of blower (an incredible rareity for Michigan, but not an exageration) and the only skis I had were my Racetigers. I expected to have issues skiing this incredible snow with a stiff racestock ski, but NO! They were an absolute joy!! They floated over the fluff when I 'surfed' them and plowed through the cut up stuff when I powered them up. Wow, wow, and WOW!
 

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