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Looks like Park City could be operating this winter, after all....

ski diva

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Some of you may be familiar with the dispute between Vail Resorts and Park City. If not, you can read about it here.

For a while it was even said that Park City wouldn't open this winter. Well, it looks like there's been some movement. This just broke today:

(Reprinted from Snowcountry.com)

Judge Sets $17.5M Bond For Park City Mountain Resort To Operate For 2014-15 Season

Bond has been set at $17.5 million for Park City Mountain Resort to operate on 2,852 acres of leased land for the 2014-15 ski and snowboard season.

District Judge Ryan Harris ruled that PCMR has until Friday, Sept.12 to post bond, which would stay an eviction notice signed earlier this summer by Judge Harris, through April 19, 2015. PCMR can also post an additional bond in the amount of $19 million by March 2, 2015 for the 2015-16 season if the case is not settled by then.

If PCMR does not post the $17.5 million bond, Talisker Land Holdings Inc. can begin eviction on 2,852 acres of upper mountain ski terrain. Which would effectively cancel the 2014-15 ski season at PCMR, devastating for the local economy. Following the hearing, PCMR lead attorney Alan Sullivan wouldn't commit to paying the $17.5 million bond, saying that he would consult with his clients.

At a hearing last month, Talisker had asked for nearly $124 million for a bond, while PCMR recommended less than $7 million. Prior to his ruling, Judge Harris called both estimates “flawed valuations, not persuasive.”

By posting a bond that is held in trust by the court, PCMR gives financial assurance that it will cover any future damages that occur relating to this case during the appeal process. Talisker has said it would not oppose a stay of the eviction if a bond is posted.

The judge’s decision adds another chapter in the lease dispute that began in 2011 when PCMR officials failed to renew its 40-year, $155,000-a-year lease with Talisker – a circumstance that PCMR disputes. Once Talisker considered the lease to be broken, the Canada-based company made it clear it would offer the PCMR lease to Vail Resorts, which had already signed a 50-year with Talisker in 2013 to operate neighboring Canyons Resort.

As part of the Canyons lease agreement, Vail Resorts’ attorneys took over the legal defense of Talisker in the case, which is being heard in Utah’s Third District Court in Summit County.

Concurrently, Powdr Corp. and Vail Resorts have been undergoing mediation to see if a settlement could be reached. However, despite two extensions, the parties haven’t gotten to an agreement, the judge announced in court, adding he hoped that his ruling on the bond wouldn’t affect the ability to reach a mediated agreement.

Both PCMR and Canyons sit atop thousands of old mining claims from Park City’s silver boom days around the turn of the century. In 2004, Talisker acquired all the mining claims from United Park City Mines, including land under most of PCMR’s slopes and trails.

In May, Judge Harris ruled in favor of Talisker on a variety of lease-related issues, paving the way for an eviction notice. About that time, PCMR indicated it would appeal the judge’s rulings to the state appellate court. In June, Judge Harris issued the eviction but postponed its enforcement the parties underwent court-ordered mediation to find a settlement.

Powdr Corp. owns the base area and thus controls direct access to the mountain’s skiing and snowboarding terrain.

Local officials and business owners have been pushing the two sides to find a way to keep the resort operating as usual for the 2014-2015 season, particularly after PCMR announced that it would deny access through the base area it owns and remove chairlifts from the leased land if Talisker prevailed. Residents and officials have cited untold damage to the Park City economy if vacationers thought there would be an interruption in service.
 

abc

Banned
They could decide not to post the bond. You never know.
It's not a decission for them to make.

They're out of options. Frankly, despite their tough talk, they have everything to lose. Trying to drag the other party down won't get them anywhere, not one with relatively deep pocket as Vail resorts. It's one thing to make threats as a negociation tool. But if they're foolish enough to carry out their own threat, they'll be go down in no time. Vail will recover shortly from whatever difficulty caused by such stupid move.
 

pinto

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
It's not a decission for them to make.

They're out of options. Frankly, despite their tough talk, they have everything to lose. Trying to drag the other party down won't get them anywhere, not one with relatively deep pocket as Vail resorts. It's one thing to make threats as a negociation tool. But if they're foolish enough to carry out their own threat, they'll be go down in no time. Vail will recover shortly from whatever difficulty caused by such stupid move.

Well, yes it is. They could refuse to post the bond, and then they would be evicted.
 

litterbug

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
It's not a decission for them to make.

They're out of options. Frankly, despite their tough talk, they have everything to lose. Trying to drag the other party down won't get them anywhere, not one with relatively deep pocket as Vail resorts. It's one thing to make threats as a negociation tool. But if they're foolish enough to carry out their own threat, they'll be go down in no time. Vail will recover shortly from whatever difficulty caused by such stupid move.
I'm not sure where you get the idea that PCMR is out of options. I know that's what a subset of people who watch the case are saying, but today's hearing did nothing to back PCMR into a corner. Obviously they can't go back to their low lease rate, and it's highly unlikely they'll ever operate the resort on the upper mountain again, but there's a lot of money to be made by leasing the base to Vail as well as the possibility that Vail might decide to cut its losses and lease the upper mountain to PCMR at market rate. The basic mechanics of the eviction were almost a foregone conclusion, but now that we're getting into the meat of things, the judge is giving strong signals that the fact that he signed an eviction order doesn't mean that Vail will get what it wants in rent and damages.

PCMR could shock us all and refuse to post a bond, but they know they got a great break along with a lot of criticism by the judge of Vail's arguments, as well as the sight of Vail's representatives stalking out of the courtroom refusing to say a word to anyone, so it's hard to imagine they won't ante up to see what their next hand will be like.
 

abc

Banned
Obviously they can't go back to their low lease rate, and it's highly unlikely they'll ever operate the resort on the upper mountain again, but there's a lot of money to be made by leasing the base to Vail
Not nearly as much as they can make operating the resort on the upper maintain at bargain lease rate!

The only way they can make ANY money is what Vail would allow them to make. In the worst case, Vail can simply sit on the land while watching PCMR die of a slow death!

At the moment, PCMR has quite a few options still available, all of them requiring negociating with Vail to reach some sort of agreement that are mutually benefitial to both parties. But as I see it, PCMR had far over-estimated their negociating power and is trying to play hard ball to Vail when they have no real strength. That, is not going to get them anywhere close to any kind of profitable operation!

In a few years, when Daddy got tired of PCMR bleeding money non-stop, they'll come back to the negociating table with Vail, and got far less than what they can get NOW.

It's really simple. It's a poker game. PCMR is trying to bluff. Everyone else can see their hands and knew they have no strength. They're the only one who don't realize that and kept on raising the stake!
 
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mustski

Angel Diva
I am not a lawyer so the legal wrangling here is above my pay grade, but it does seem like a negotiation that will lead to some form of partnership. Powder Corp. controls some really valuable real estate - i.e.: the base area. Many ski resorts make so much off their slope side real estate that during non prime weeks the lift tickets are nearly free. We always shop for those kind of deals and that is one of the reasons Mammoth wins out so often in our shopping. During those non prime weeks, we end up paying only $20.00 more/person for slope side lodging which includes lift tickets. No matter what happens Vail is going to have to work with PCMR.
 

ski diva

Administrator
Staff member
So it looks like yes, they're going to pay the bond and open:

Park City Mountain Resort to pay $17.5 million to open this season
Community breathes sigh of relief as talks, legal action continue.


By Christopher Smart, The Salt Lake Tribune

There were nothing but smiles Tuesday in western Summit County as Park City Mountain Resort (PCMR) announced it would post a $17.5 million bond to keep the resort operating through the upcoming ski season.

The bond was set by 3rd District Judge Ryan Harris in the midst of a three-year legal dispute between PCMR and its landlord, Talisker Land Holdings Inc., which also leases the nearby Canyons Resort to Vail Resorts Inc.
"Our goal has always been to keep PCMR open for the upcoming 2014-15 season and beyond," said Jenni Smith, president and general manager. "Paying the bond ordered by the judge will provide our employees, the Park City community and our many guests the certainty they’ve been waiting for about our upcoming ski season."

If PCMR had not posted the bond by Friday, Talisker could have begun eviction. The loss of the ski season at PCMR — one of three ski resorts in and around Park City — would have meant a big hit to the tourist town’s economy.

"First, it was overwhelming relief," Park City Councilwoman Liza Simpson,who also works on Main Street at Dolly’s Bookstore, said of Tuesday’s announcement. "This whole month has been waiting for the other shoe to drop. ... It’s just been a nail-biter."

Resort officials have scheduled a Nov. 22 opening — the weekend before Thanksgiving.

The fear of no ski season at PCMR put the Park City Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Bureau into high gear after the story went national, appearing in such publications as The New York Times, Bloomberg News and The Denver Post.

The chamber/bureau, as it is called, had a contingency plan that sought to explain to would-be ski vacationers that Park City’s other resorts, Deer Valley and Canyons, were open, along with the rest of the historic mining-town-turned-glitterati-stopover.

"We’re all very, very happy to hear the news," said Linda Jager, the chamber/bureau’s communications director. "We’re doing the snow dance now."

PCMR and its parent, Powdr Corp., missed by several days a lease renewal deadline of April 30, 2011. Several months later, it sued Talisker fearing eviction.
 

Magnatude

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
It's a big relief for us too, since we're taking our family there for a month next Jan/Feb and had already bought PCMR seasons passes. I'd already started to investigate Canyons/Epic local passes, but part of the draw for the PCMR pass, for us, was the Wasatch Benefit (details still to be announced, presumably because of this whole business) that gives passholders three days each at Alta, Snowbird and Deer Valley.
 

VickiK

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Wow. Deep pockets indeed. What an incredible value for EpicPass holders. The cost is offset by the savings of a whole lot of legal expenses.
 

bounceswoosh

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
Wow. Deep pockets indeed. What an incredible value for EpicPass holders. The cost is offset by the savings of a whole lot of legal expenses.

Wait, do we get PCMR access? Oh, wait, nevermind, forgot we got Local this season ...
 

NZfarmgirl

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
@magatude it looks like you'll be able to ski at Canyons with your pass- perhaps with an upgrade. I wonder if they'll keep the other mountain benefits though.
 

gardenmary

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
I see it as more guarantee that Snowbasin and PowMow will not be crowded any time soon. PCMR & Canyons, however.....

Someone on the SkiUtah FB page said something about "when is Vail going to buy stubborn Alta?" and I thought "maybe after Jesus comes back. but don't hold your breath."
 

bounceswoosh

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
lolol. Vail Resorts hasn't managed to swallow A Basin, either. And Eldora partook of the pass last season, then changed its mind.
 

gardenmary

Ski Diva Extraordinaire
The cost is offset by the savings of a whole lot of legal expenses.

As we Lutherans like to say, "This is most certainly true." This debacle has already cost a fortune. I would say that in a way, PCMR DID bluff, and their bluff succeeded. For all we know, they could have been entertaining other offers, and they just held out to get the most $$ out of Vail.
 

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